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Gavin Williamson

Discussion in 'Education news' started by katykook, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. katykook

    katykook Occasional commenter

    It's not looking very promising..

    How Gavin Williamson voted on Education #
    How Gavin Williamson voted on Social Issues #
     
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  2. gainly

    gainly Lead commenter

    Oh dear! A tarantula in every classroom. Leaking of exam papers to be made mandatory.
     
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  3. bessiesmith2

    bessiesmith2 New commenter

    I guess it was fairly obvious Boris was never going to be courting teachers' votes so a wildly unpopular education secretary won't make any difference to his chances in an election. I'm not expecting anything positive from Williamson.
     
  4. SEBREGIS

    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    Not Gove.... it's not Gove....
     
  5. hubcap

    hubcap New commenter

    Anything positive?
     
  6. katykook

    katykook Occasional commenter

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  7. gainly

    gainly Lead commenter

    From his Wikipedia entry:
    Following David Cameron's resignation, Williamson "privately vowed" to stop the front-runner Boris Johnson from becoming Conservative Party leader. He assessed Theresa May to be the likeliest candidate to defeat Johnson, offered his help to her, and was invited to be her parliamentary campaign manager.[6] When May became prime minister, Williamson was appointed Chief Whip.[6]

    Strange that he now seems to be regarded as a Johnson loyalist.
     
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  8. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    Boris has made hopeful sounds about the importance of vocationalism and Williams has a background in technology based companies so I do hope they will see the importance of the creative subjects to the economy and scrap the ebacc. Perhaps going into the next GE they will think about education reform at GCSE seeing as T levels are coming online.

    On the other hand the Tory party and their supporters are wedded to the idea of free schools, academies, OFSTED, grammar schools. Toby Young and the Telegraph both pathologically believes things have got better in education and that Gove did a great job.
    Overall I have agree with you.
     
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  9. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    It's a case of see what he does rather than what he's previously said.
    Same goes for Mr. Johnson really. Any previously made promises are about as reliable as the pattern I'll find in a few minutes at the bottom of my coffee cup.
     
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  10. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Nicky Morgan has raised her ugly head again. She was SO unpopular with teachers and Esther McVey :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    :(
     
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  11. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    So you don't think that kids should be doing Maths, English and Science at KS4?
     
  12. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Funnily enough pretty much every kid in the country has been doing those subjects at ks 4 for decades. Nothing to do with ebacc, more the national curriculum.
     
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  13. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    My point exactly. The idea that the arts and creative subjects are suffering because some of the brighter kids are encouraged to do a humanities and MFL 2x week is farcical. The arts were in fine fettle back when languages was compulsory, and students often took 2+ humanities subjects. So what has actually changed ? Why is it that there is no longer any money time on the timetable for the arts ?

    It reminds me of the anecdote about the banker, the worker and the immigrant in front of a cake with 20 slices. The banker takes 19, then says to the worker, "watch out - the immigrant wants your slice."

    The issue is the ridiculous amount of time dedicated to the so-called 'core subjects'. Leave the poor old Humanities and MFL teachers alone.
     
  14. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    What has changed? Schools have been directed to prioritise humanities based seemingly based on Conservative prejudices. To say that humanities should not be prioritesed is not to demean them in any way.

    It's not a question of leaving humanities and MFL alone, it's a question about which subjects should be prioritised in a system that has limited resources. The type of work that has been traditionally supplied by those studying humanities will be increasingly reduced by automation. Language translation could be example of this. Individual and collective prosperity will increasingly rely on the creative fields, which automation in the short term cannot replicate.
    Proseperity and growth are created by trading goods and services, these will be increasingly technical and creative, for example the computer games industry, now worth 3.6 Bn to the UK economy, and focusing on the humanities simply cannot supply the talent needed for industries such as these.
    We need to focus our talent towards the detailed and refined business and services that Britian can focus on.

    Creative subjects are being crushed. GCSE numbers are down and schools will no fund them as they are regarded as seconf tier https://www.bbc.com/news/education-42862996https://www.bbc.com/news/education-42862996
     
  15. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    His wife was a primary teacher. You would hope that any ex teacher worth their salt would immediately tell their husband, get rid of ofsted. It’s the billion pound drain on the system. Everything is spent not for children, but for ofsted.

    Let’s all petition Mrs Williamson to do her duty to the profession.
     
  16. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    No they haven't. They've been directed to prioritise Maths, English and Science, to almost the exclusion of anything else. We need to go back to a time when we had a balanced curriculum and all subjects / disciplines were given appropriate space.

    That's a way too utilitarian (and inaccurate ) view of education. Schools are far more than just training grounds for the British workforce.

    Here I agree with you. I just think that the space that they should be getting needs to come from the so called 'core subjects'.
     
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  17. Grandsire

    Grandsire Senior commenter

    I agree - we’re expected to include an extra maths lesson every afternoon, in addition to the hour we already spend on it in the morning (I teach primary). It simply means that, once you’ve factored in the compulsory PE hours, there simply isn’t enough time in the week to do justice to all the other subjects.

    And when I’ve tried to raise this issue with SLT? “Work smarter, not harder”... or a smug “Well, we manage it in Year X...” which of course they don’t - they just don’t TEACH any PE, MFL, music, art or DT all year, and do a workshop day for stuff like science or RE once a term - all this so they can focus on the core subjects, apparently. As far as I can see, I think they just like to get on with their marking in the afternoons so they can be away by four...

    Honestly, if it worked and gave us outstanding SATs results, I’d shut up, but strangely our results have been going in the opposite direction. Well, durrrrr...

    This summer, though, it’s been hilarious to watch the same SLT become vocal champions of the broader curriculum this summer, though, as the pendulum of Ofsted has swung back. The same people who’ve taught no PE or MFL all year suddenly seem very keen to ensure that there is Good Curriculum Coverage throughout the school, without a trace of shame or irony!
     
  18. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Established commenter

    I agree with you 100% about the balanced curriculum, but it blances national needs. Core subjects are deemed essential since they are required for society to be able to opperate, so utilitarianism has to be employed if society is going to function.
    This has been way out of balance as the UK economy has sucked in all manner of expertise and skilled work away from other nations, but that is not sustainable indefinately.
    There's a clear ideological reason for this, vocationalism is looked down upon, by policy makers and teachers. No wonder then that this is where the conversation is right now.
    The ebacc pioritises humanities at the expense of the creative subjects. eBacc to the future sums it up nicely:
    "
    Put simply: the EBacc excludes creative subjects. The EBacc does not measure achievement in creative, artistic and technical subjects such as Music, Drama and Design and Technology which means schools are less likely to offer creative, artistic and technical GCSEs. In turn this is making it much less likely that pupils will study these subjects later, or participate in extra-curricular activities related to them."
    In other words, if youngsters wanted to opt for more than a few creative subjects, schools cannot fulfil this. But I think we agree here.
    Sure, and I think that we do well when we work in fields that we excell in. The niches teachers opperate in is highly specialised and it happens that there's a need for them. On the other hand is there any point in filling up courses in DJing for urban youngsters when there simply are not the careers for them?
     
  19. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Well in the West Midlands we need courses in Indian cookery apparently. The Government has been petitioned to put 'Indian Chef' onto the special list of jobs that does not require the £35k salary for overseas people to over here and do. Apparently there is a massive shortage of trained chefs which is preventing the growth of the Indian restaurant trade. Now why don't folk already here want those jobs I wonder?
     
  20. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Persoanlly, I'd be more about the students' needs.
    I know the theory. I just happen to think that it's complete BS. And as @Grandsire says on the point of their overemphasis in our curriculum:

    if it worked and gave us outstanding SATs results, I’d shut up, but strangely our results have been going in the opposite direction. Well, durrrrr...

    Which is wrong. They should include all of the major disciplines, with the Arts and Design having each their own weighting, rather than being bundled together.
     

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