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Gaining QTS after completing PGCEi?

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by a_nofal, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. Pat10

    Pat10 New commenter

    Gaining QTS through the AO route is all about proving you have the experience. Yes I was able to use some evidence from my time teaching abroad. When you apply and are accepted onto the AO route, an assessor will meet up with you to discuss a plan of action. Therefore, you won't really know until you've met your assessor. The Universities in the UK that provide AO route should be able to provide you with information about how it works, so I would suggest contacting them first.
     
  2. Pat10

    Pat10 New commenter

    Hello,

    It worked out for me so I would recommend the course. However, I did the AO route when I returned to the UK. I was working in an LEA school and applied to the AO route as soon as I was offered the post back in the UK. It was a struggle because I was being paid as an unqualified teacher on the pay scale and had to fork out for the AO route myself - in my opinion it was all worth it. I got through the process relatively quickly as I was lucky to work in some very good schools abroad and had accumulated a lot of useful experience, which I had documented. Hope that helps.
     
  3. Pat10

    Pat10 New commenter

    First of all I found a job in the UK. I did mention in the interview that I was planning to do the AO route. I'm pretty sure you will need to be in a School first before you apply (you have to do this yourself rather than the University find a placement for you) - basically you will need to sort out your UK placement first. Then the University you apply to will guide you through the process. Hope this helps.
     
  4. caz1607

    caz1607 New commenter

    Hi!
    I have just completed my PGCEi at University of Nottingham and am also interested to find out how you went about gaining QTS in the UK. It would be great if you could send me more information regarding who you did it through, how long it took etc.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  5. kalayne1985

    kalayne1985 New commenter

    Hi, great community BTW, first time post here ...
    I am looking to do the PGCEi with Nottingham and then wish to pursue further into FE (specifically teaching Art and Design). You said that QTLS is better for FE level, but they don't accept PGCEi qualifications - do this mean that one would have to do the AO QTS route first before being able to move towards FE level?

    Im yet to find any clear information on becoming a FE teacher whilst abroad at international schools etc. My degree is in Art, its my goal to teach at A-level / Foundation level and trying to find a clear path.

    (I'd just like to add that I fully respect the differences in the PGCE and PGCEi courses, and whilst Nottingham is being rejected in some places, its simply not feasible for me right now to do the mentor based courses - my current school is run by CEO/ administration stormtroopers - very unfriendly and don't give a hoot for their teacher's professional development, so this is kind my only route out of this as far as I can see right now)

    Any help is totally welcome!
     
  6. Capricorn2412

    Capricorn2412 New commenter

    No not necessarily, my understanding is that QTS and QTLS are acceptable for teaching both compulsory age and FE. It is just that QTLS is aimed at age 14 and above. Equally, as I have said in other posts, many FE colleges are struggling financially and in terms of recruitment. If you have the valid qualifications, many would take you and support you to gain the necessary qualifications. Have you looked at the University of Buckingham's International PGCE? That does involve visits by a tutor and an observation cycle.
     
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  7. kalayne1985

    kalayne1985 New commenter

    Hi there,
    Thanks for your response. Thats great to know.
    I checked out the Uni of Buckingham, it looks good, but it stated the following:
    "In addition, you must: 1. Obtain the commitment from your school to provide a suitable mentor. 2. Show the physical and mental fitness to teach."

    Sadly the school I am employed at has an awful reputation for mistreatment of its teachers, and I strongly suspect that should they initially agree to mentoring, the actual realities of it will probably be a giant headache and end up working against me.
    I do really appreciate the help though! Thank you.
     
  8. Pat10

    Pat10 New commenter

    Please feel free to ask any specific questions by PM - will try to answer as best I can. I've already mentioned how long it took. Here is a link to all the AO providers in UK.

    https://getintoteaching.education.g...ning-options/assessment-only/ao-provider-list

    Thanks
     
  9. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Yes, of course some so-called "international schools" are happy to give jobs to unqualifiued teachers. (When I was in Qatar, Madam A*** seemed to go out of her way to employ NQTs and other teachers without much experience.)
     
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  10. Hello, Can you help me with information about obtaining my QTS. I have the option to do my PGCE online, I am currently teaching in UAE, Abu Dhabi in a Primary School. Am I able to get my QTS while I'm working here? Laila.m.zain@gmail.com.

    Thank you
     
  11. james_1979

    james_1979 New commenter

    You can add the Sunderland PGCEi course into that banned group. Saw how it flushed incompetent "graduates" who did not do any subjects/courses on education. Some schools in our neck of the woods have stopped accepting them. The "observer" gets £1000 a student and has NEVER held a full-time role. Was 20 minutes late. Saw the boring lesson. Ticked boxes. Then left! No pre-interview with staff, no post reflections or questions with the candidate. Tick. ✅ ✅ wham bam £1000 thanks Sunderland!
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  12. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    laila_m_zain, yes, I am sure that lots of good schools in the UK would be happy to offer you a teaching post, if you do have a degree, a proper PGCE, good references from your present school and lots of experience of teaching the English curriculum. But if you do not have these things, then maybe you would not be such a good candidate and someone else might get the job instead. Even teachers who already have QTS do not always get offered the jobs that they want.

    More and more, "online courses" are not being given the same status or value as the real thing, as james_1979 has made clear. Perhaps it is the case that you may have "done" an online course, but that does not always mean that you have understood the content of the course and then put it into practice.

    On the other hand, maybe you teach Physics, laila_m_zain, so most of what I have written probably will not apply to you.
     
  13. shandy_roque

    shandy_roque New commenter

    Hi there, it would great to know how you did this. I have a PGCE-i from Nottingham and looking into getting my QTS. So, what are the steps to getting QTS?
     
  14. htesfai

    htesfai New commenter

    Hi Pat10

    Do I need to do a pgcei before doing the AO QTS as I have 13 years of experience both in UK and abroad?
     
  15. htesfai

    htesfai New commenter

     
  16. Angelil

    Angelil Occasional commenter

    Sorry for the incredibly late reply @htesfai. I am not on TES much these days! But replying regardless in case my answer still helps you or others. I did not have a teaching degree, IPGCE or PGCE before gaining QTS via assessment-only (which I was able to do in the school I was teaching in abroad at that time). None of these are a prerequisite as your experience is accepted in lieu. When obtaining QTS via AO you still have to prove that you meet all the same standards as UK teachers (whether they are going via PGCE or any other route).
     
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  17. Pat10

    Pat10 New commenter

    Hello,

    I would suggest contacting the AO providers. I attached a list on a previous post.
     
  18. Hi Pat10, I am thinking about doing exactly the same thing next year when I am due to finish my PGCEi. Would you recommend it? Have you been able to secure good paying jobs at reputable schools? Did you go back overseas after getting the QTS or stay in UK?
     
  19. HeroForTheDay

    HeroForTheDay New commenter

    After inquiring with Tes in order to complete the Assessment only route via distance learning, this is the following information I was given:

    As an approved Assessment Only provider, TES Institute will assess you in your current school, where you will need to present detailed evidence that your teaching meets the Teachers’ Standards. This will allow you to become a qualified teacher without leaving your school and will also demonstrate that your teaching meets the Teachers’ Standards.

    In order to submit an application, you must demonstrate to Tes Institute that you meet the following criteria:
    • Be employed in a school in a teaching role by the time you start the programme
    • Have achieved a standard equivalent to grade C or above at GCSE level in English and Mathematics. Those intending to teach pupils aged 3-11 will also need to have achieved a standard equivalent to grade C or above at GCSE level science. *
    • Hold a degree from a UK higher education institution or equivalent qualification *
    • If your degree and/or your GCSEs were taken outside the UK you must have a Statement of comparability from UK NARIC confirming they are equivalent to the UK counterpart qualifications
    • Have passed the literacy and numeracy professional skills tests
    • Have undertaken significant (2 years minimum) teaching experience in at least two contrasting schools
    • Demonstrate that you meet the QTS Standards across a minimum of two consecutive age ranges for your chosen teaching specialism
    • Be able to show that you have the appropriate intellectual and academic capabilities and personal qualities, attitudes, ethics and values
    • Have the ability to communicate clearly and effectively in standard English
    • Have been subject to and passed the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) and criminal records check
    • Have completed a Fitness to Work assessment at your school

    *You will need to present original copies of your certificates to Tes for verification.

    Please be advised you will need to meet the above criteria before submitting an application form. Successful applicants will be asked to provide copies of all documentation and you will need to present original documents at your Enrolment Visit for formal verification.If you meet the criteria bar the Professional Skills Test you may still apply however you will need to meet the criteria in full prior to starting the programme. By submitting an application the admissions team can process this and evaluate if you are ready for assessment, if you are not, you will be given the option to go on our Straight to Teaching course which will prepare you for the assessment.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I followed up with them about a few aspects and the response was this:

    The programme is available to teachers who teach internationally. With regards to your DBS you will be required to get it updated.

    Please find a link below to further programme information in our prospectus a guide to the course for your head teacher and a link to the course application form.

    AO Prospectus

    Straight to Teaching: A Guide for HeadTeachers

    Assessment Only Programme Online Application Form:

    https://www.tes.com/institute/applications/ao

    If you did apply for the course in your application we will need to see that you hold certificates for an undergraduate degree and GCSEs or equivalent qualifications in Maths and English. You will also need to have taken and passed your professional skills tests by the time you register for QTS assessment. These and other requirements for the AO route are summarised below and these are that you must;
    • Be employed in a school in a teaching role by the time you start the programme
    • Have achieved a standard equivalent to grade C or above at GCSE level in English and Mathematics. Those intending to teach pupils aged 3-11 will also need to have achieved a standard equivalent to grade C or above at GCSE level science.
    • Hold a degree from a UK higher education institution or equivalent qualification
    • Have passed the literacy and numeracy professional skills tests – we provide free online help clinics for these, more information is available here.
    • Have undertaken significant teaching experience of around two years in at least two different schools that follow the English national curriculum
    • Demonstrate that you meet the QTS Standards across a minimum of two consecutive age ranges for your chosen teaching specialism
    • Be able to show that you have the appropriate intellectual and academic capabilities and personal qualities, attitudes, ethics and values
    • Have the ability to communicate clearly and effectively in standard English
    • Have been subject to and passed the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) and criminal records check
    • Have completed a Fitness to Work assessment at your school

    Your school will also need to allocate you a qualified in school mentor who will work with you throughout the programme and they need to confirm their support for you by signing a working agreement with TES Institute.

    When you apply for the course and if everything is in order on your application we will make an offer of a place on the courses, within the offer we send you we will outline an estimated length of preparation programme that we feel you should complete based on your application. The length of programme you take will be decided by the TES Institute pathway tutor allocated to you after they carry out an initial needs assessment (INA) visit at your school.

    During this visit the pathway tutor will have a more in-depth look at the teaching experience you have, the support your school will put in place for you, your teaching ability and subject knowledge and based on this they will present a decision to you and your school based on what has taken place over the day. At this point there will be an opportunity to put forward reasons for a shorter or longer programme if you feel it is necessary. If after this visit you and your school decide not to proceed with the course a fee of £500 will have to be paid to cover the costs of the visit and its set up.

    A table of the prices for the programme lengths are available below and all fees shown include the cost of assessment. Fees can be repaid in either monthly or termly instalments and your school can assist with the payments if they wish to.

    (The following were in table form and when copied didn't stay within table form)

    Straight to Teaching/AO programme fees
    Total fee / Fee without VAT


    Minimal (AO) QTS preparation and QTS assessment

    £3,600 / £3,000

    Low QTS preparation (1 to 1.5 terms) and QTS assessment

    £5,400 / £4,500

    Medium QTS preparation (2 to 3 terms) and QTS assessment

    £7,200 / £6,000

    High QTS preparation (4 to 5 terms) and QTS assessment

    £9,000 / £7,500

    The duration of the course will vary from participant to participant due to the fact that this is a bespoke programme set around your current teaching experience. The course length ranges from less than a term to a maximum of 5 terms and all programmes include time for QTS assessment; the programme cost will depend on the length of programme you take. Subject to exceptions, VAT will be charged at the rate of 20 per cent. After the INA visit takes place the pathway tutor will design a programme that mixes online study with in school teaching practice and further school visits which allow you to develop your portfolio sufficiently to go for QTS assessment.

    Start dates for the course and their application deadlines can be seen below.

    Application deadline - Start date

    16th September 2019 - 7th October 2019

    7th October 2019 - 4th November 2019

    11th November 2019 - 2nd December 2019

    2nd December 2019 - 6th January 2020

    13th January 2020 - 3rd February 2020

    3rd February 2020 - 2nd March 2020

    3rd March 2020 - 30th March 2020

    16th March 2020 - 20th April 2020

    13th April 2020 - 5th May 2020

    Hope this helps some of you
     
  20. HeroForTheDay

    HeroForTheDay New commenter

    Sorry about some of the above being repeated.. just realised a few minutes after the edit function time limit had passed :rolleyes:
     

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