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Frequent timetable changes /teachers

Discussion in 'Secondary' started by Jenkibubble, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. Jenkibubble

    Jenkibubble Occasional commenter

    My experience is in primary , therefore I would like advice from secondary teachers please .

    Daughter is in y9 and son in y7 and
    both frequently have changes in teachers and timetabling . To me ,this seems far from ideal (kids getting to know teachers ) although my daughter has been told that there are benefits from this !
    Is it the norm in secondary . Daughter has started GCSE subjects now too !
  2. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    It's common in schools that I work in but I generally work in bottom-end schools* that are desperate to get half-decent teachers to stay there more than a couple of weeks. So I'd say it's a bad sign which indicates a constant cycling of teachers as stress and capability culling ramps up. Desperate HoDs are then frantically swapping around to plug the gaps but as only Year 11/13 are important then the rest have to take the dregs (which probably includes me)

    Unless the subject is something like D&T where you'd only do six weeks of Cooking before moving on to 6 weeks of Hitting Nails into Wood I can't see any benefit in swapping teachers at all Even in this doomsday scenario why bother changing the timetable unless you've had to dump Spanish because the only teacher has gone on Maternity leave?

    I don't suppose you could ask the teacher directly who assured your daughter of the benefits?

    *Secondary supply in West Yorkshire Maths/Science.
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  3. Jenkibubble

    Jenkibubble Occasional commenter

    Sadly , your comments have confirmed my suspicions about staff shortages etc
    The school is 'good' apparently , although nose dived this year progress 8 , despite glossy prospectus etc and expansion to allow more places !
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  4. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    A letter to the chair of governors is always worth a shot. Too many headteachers now restrict the info governors get to that usually used to grow mushrooms.
  5. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    I'd agree with John - sometimes timetable changes are necessary during the year e.g. for maternity cover but frequent changes seems to indicate instability in staffing. The school is likely to be focusing resources on Yr 10 and above to make sure that the examination classes have limited disruption causing more problems for KS3.

    The only timetabling change that could work may be in science where 3 specialists might teach a module of Biology, Chemistry or Physics to a rotating group of 3 classes
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  6. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    You probably need to distinguish between planned changes because of rotations round different units of work, one-off changes due to something like maternity leave, and emergency reorganisations to cover sudden departures and inability to recruit.

    Rotations round different units are quite common in something like technology, but also used for science as described by ScienceGuy, or around humanities or arts subjects - where they might get a six week block of one subject, followed by a six week block of another. (Although that means a change of teacher each time, I suspect my daughter's RE teacher got to know them rather better on 8 lessons a fortnight for half a term than in a whole year of once a week.
  7. Jenkibubble

    Jenkibubble Occasional commenter

    Thanks all . I've emailed her form teacher (who I have a good relationship with ) and he explained that it is to balance weeks A and B and this is inline with other schools in the chain . As a result , both my kids now have teachers new to the school !
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    Kallie92 New commenter

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  9. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    "in common with other schools in the chain" doesn't that tell it like it is in some many schools these days. Bad practice justified by "policy"
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  10. install

    install Star commenter

    Not normal in my experience - with the exception of planned rotations in DT or Science.
  11. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    Possible translation: the timetabler didn't make a very good job of things, with some classes having all their PE in the same week and a part-time teacher being expected to work 5 days one week and 2 the other (which means they were threatening to resign as it meant paying for a full time nursery place). A timetabler from one of the other schools has now had a look and made some improvements, and hopefully next year they will take a hand in things before the summer holidays.
  12. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    exactly. Planned rotations are normal is science too
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  13. Summerhols6

    Summerhols6 Occasional commenter

    I've had my HOD do something similar but change classes. She can't manage behaviour so dumps her problems on others. The profession is full of snakes, sorry but it is.
  14. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    If there are benefits, why is it not the norm in private schools and grammars?

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