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Foundation Stage profile scores and National Curriculum levels

Discussion in 'Primary' started by 303anna, Sep 11, 2009.

  1. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    Why should they they are intended to measure different things?
     
  2. skellig1182

    skellig1182 Established commenter

    If the profile scores don't help how year 1 teachers seem to want them too, i maybe there should be something that is in par with primary assessments. Otherwise it seems to be quite confusing.
     
  3. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    Many many Y1 teachers are more than happy with the information provided by the profile as it does the job it is intended to.
     
  4. skellig1182

    skellig1182 Established commenter

    I wouldnt know, i'm a new year 1 teacher this year. I'm still learning what job it does![​IMG]
     
  5. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    It does exactly what it says it does on the tin
    " The primary purpose of the EYFS profile is to provide year 1
    teachers and parents with reliable and accurate information about each
    child's level of development as they reach the end of the EYFS." notice it says development ...

    Y1 teachers should be involved in internal moderation of the profile so it might be worth asking about training
     
  6. I am not. It is a vague bunch of wish-washy statements that tell Y1 teachers very little. Complete waste of time and money.


     
  7. Yeah, because we have nothing else to do....
     
  8. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    but as you've said so often you don't even look at them ...
     
  9. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    well don't complain if you can't understand it
     
  10. Msz if Year 1 teachers don't want to use them it is for the simple reason they are pointless. The teachers are not interested if they can ride a 3 wheel bike, do their own coat up or slurp their own milk. The profiles are a monstrous waste of well paid teachers time and as soon as they have been got rid of, as well as those pointless observations, the sooner reception teachers can once again concentrate on teaching the basic literacy and numeracy skills in the most effective manner.
     
  11. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    and by the same token there are many Y1 teachers who do use them in the first term of Y1.
    There is nothing on the profile about who can ride a 3 wheeled bike, do up their own coat or slurp milk so perhaps as an assessment coordinator you should sit in on the moderation too
     
  12. Unless the school is attempting to run the FS in Year 1 which of course is a mockery of the philosophy because the staff ratio in most Year 1 class tends not to be so generous. As a consequence you end up with the farcical situation of a bedraggled Y1 teacher chasing their own tail trying to create the same environment which the children have spent the last 2 years in but with half the staff. This madness is then compounded by the fact the children don't have access to the outdoors so it just becomes undiluted chaos with the teacher probably feeling inadequate, de-skilled and underused.
     
  13. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    No they are following good practice from the National strategies which says for children who haven't completed profile points 4-8 the profile is the appropriate assessment document nothing at all to do with attempting to run the FS in Y1.
     
  14. Advice from those who won't be attempting to implement this nonsense. The trouble with the FS and for those who work in it is the endless amount of 'experts' who basically go round giving their opinion as if it is 'the truth'. So many experts giving so many differing opinions to so many teachers creating so much chaos.
     
  15. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    and all the schools that have been using it and it's predecessor successfully in Y1 for years
     
  16. Absolutely. Last year we had CLLD advising on improving reading using synthetic phonics in FS whilst simultaneously having ECaR promoting multi-cueing Reading Recovery methods. On top of this the EYFS advisors were saying children should do neither!
     
  17. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    Some of us are lucky to work in LAs with people who know what they are talking about and use common sense
     
  18. I am in a similair situation..ish.
    I am new to year one after working in years 2 + 3 for the last 7 years.
    After children only being back since Tuesday...it's now Wednesday..I have been asked to set targets for the end of the year using the FSP scores data the reception teacher has passed up...in writing, reading and maths!
    I have no idea what a child who achieved a 5 in writing should progress to..or a child who achieved a 2 in calulating should get at end of year either.
    Any help, support or advice would be greatly appreciated as we are now an ISP school and a 'specialist' from the LA wants this data next Wednesday!
    Thanks
     
  19. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    1a [​IMG]

     
  20. fulloffun

    fulloffun New commenter

    We don't set the targets until the end of the first half term for the year1 children.I (reception teacher) work with the Year1 teacher and we discuss each child and set the target together ...once the children have settled in.
     

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