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First Cameron then Gove - Computer Science is coming ....

Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by freddd, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. Guardian education link
    First Cameron then Gove - could it be, could it really be that after over a decade of drossy ICT qualifications, we are about to witness a real change in the new year?
    Or will this just all fade away, like a curry burp in the wind? My guess that serious change will happen, but not until 2048 at the the earliest.
  2. Guardian education link
    First Cameron then Gove - could it be, could it really be that after over a decade of drossy ICT qualifications, we are about to witness a real change in the new year?
    Or will this just all fade away, like a curry burp in the wind? My guess that serious change will happen, but not until 2048 at the the earliest.
  3. Expect to see a compulsory unit of programming in Year 8 or Year 9 and that'll be about it.
  4. Very good
  5. Couldn't you put programming into 7.6?
  6. I don't understand why so many people keep on rubbishing "office skills". We recently surveyed parents and discovered that 75% of them use "office skills" daily in their jobs. Surely this is more useful to the vast majority of students than the very specialised computer science.
    When I was at Uni there were no IT degrees so after your degree if you wanted to work in the computer industry you took a 'computer aptitude' test. To me this implies that not everybody has the aptitude to learn programming skills. Therefore attempting to teach them to everybody will result in a lot of very frustrated students AND staff.
  7. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    That's my expectation. Programming is important, but still only for a minority of students who will take it further.

  8. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    What's 7.6? Are you referring to the National Strategy?
    I think that the National Strategy is as much to blame as portfolio-based qualifications for the decline in standards in ICT, as it kick-started the obsession with PowerPoint and reviewing things like web-sites, instead of mastering spreadsheets and searching databases.
  9. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    I have no issue with reviewing. If we're going to delve into the world of CS, we need to be able to analyse problems and existing products. Powerpoint is a pain, but then it's just a matter of getting creative to use it enough rather than too much.
  10. Wishful thinking on this thread.
    ICT is going to disappear from the new revised NC, bet yer bottom dollar. So where will Computer Science go? Realisitically, can anyone see it appearing on a super-slim Scandinavian-inspired NC?
  11. robot1

    robot1 New commenter

    ICT may well be dropped from the new slimmed down national curriculum. So will a number of other subjects. This does not necessarily mean it will disappear. A few years ago schools were able to drop languages. Some did and some didn’t. Languages are now back in fashion and the schools that dropped it in any way are taking a hammering. Many schools wish to offer a broad and balanced curriculum. So whether ICT goes in your school or not will depend on the heads view of it and how valued the current department is. Many ICT departments already teach some programming in languages like Scratch.
    As far as Computing is concerned and more specifically programming, is a very small niche area. If the curriculum is to be slimmed down Computing will never make it into the national curriculum. At very best you be left with a tiny option group that will get even smaller when the kids work out how hard and often boring programming can be. Then you will be out of a job!
  12. I would hope that a new ICT curriculum would include both programming and continue to offer decent digital literacy skills which would include how to use ICT for general skills like working in office.
  13. Lord Puttnam of Queensgate (formerly film producer Davud Puttnam) gave a keynote speech at the SNNC emphasising the importance of computer sciences for all students. He likened the lack of this knowledge to a world where we could read but not to write.
    Like many teachers and business owners I have no formal ICT training and update a website but trial and error. The more we understand about the hidden workings of computer, the more effectively we will use them.

  14. DEmsley

    DEmsley New commenter

  15. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    Which works up to a point. I saw a more experienced (but business-trained/oriented) teacher get a key part of adapting images for the web wrong when teaching it to sixth form students.
    Trial and error has its place for skills, but is dangerous when it comes to more abstract topics.
  16. Tosha

    Tosha New commenter

    You could say that of Physics, Chemistry, French, DT, Music ..............
  17. robliverpool

    robliverpool New commenter

    I hope that Computer Science and ICT skills both have a place in a future ICT SOW. I believe it's like First Aid Skills (ICT, using software etc) and being a Doctor (programming etc). More people can and need to learn First Aid skills (where you learn only a little bit about how the body works i.e. compuer)and are quite happy this level of knowledge. But we still need a smaller number of doctors etc who know how the body (i.e. computer) works in alot more detail. I hope this comparison makes sense.
    My worry is that with the new focus on the exam boards and Gove wanting 1 exam per subject that there will only be a Computer GCSE (i.e. being a doctor) and there won't also be a pratcical skills ICT GCSE (i.e. liek first aid).
    There is room for both.

  18. First Camerion then Gove...UNEMPLOYMENT is coming.
    And that's whether you are a Computing or ICT teacher.
    'Suck it down' as Duke Nukem used to say.
  19. I suppose the next thing is Jamie Oliver telling us we need more mechanics or Anne Widdecombe telling us we need more tree surgeons.
  20. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    Nothing like a bit of optimism on a Saturday morning, eh? With politics, the final result is rarely that extreme, we usually end up with the middle option.
    But a more apt quote for our confused subject would be "Sorry, but our princess is in another castle!"

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