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Finding Salaried School Based Training?

Discussion in 'Thinking of teaching' started by marbeless, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    Hello all,

    Any tips on when salaried school based vacancies start being advertised (for Sept 2019 entry) and how to find them? UCAS seems great for telling me which training body awards the QTS and for finding university based training, but I can’t work out how to find the salaried vacancies without working backwards from each awarding body or looking up schools one by one. Vacancies also don’t seem to all appear at the same time of year (based on looking every so often this year).

    At the moment I’m adding potential schools to my follow list on here and hoping I’ll spot any vacancies as they arise.

    Is there a more central listing? Or a time of year when such tend to be announced? Preferably a site where I can set up an alert for subject and location?

    Also - I’m a Computer Science/Maths specialist - do you think it might be worth contacting schools on-spec? I’m guessing I should avoid the beginning of September if I don’t want my letter to get lost in the hectic start of year - is there a good time for such? I am quite restricted in which areas I am interested in since I cannot drive and also have to take disability access into account.

    Looking at the right time to see the right subject vacancy in the right location at a school with the right access feels like a lot of things to get right! Ideas?

    many thanks.
  2. Gsr25

    Gsr25 Occasional commenter

    You should just be able to put in a search engine “SCITT in my area” and it should come up
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  3. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    Thanks @Gsr25

    Any idea of when in the year?

    By looking this year to see how things work, it seemed that such vacances come up randomly through the year. Are there particular times when schools are more likely to plan for which trainees they might take on and start advertising?
  4. celago22

    celago22 Established commenter

    I didn't do a SCITT but I know that they 'open' for applications throughout the year, I imagine it is so that they can manage the amount of applications they receive. You could email your preferred SCITT providers if you wanted a definite answer.

    If I was you, I would concentrate on fulfilling the entry requirements of such a course so that you are ready to apply when the SCITT opens and I would also try to apply for the SCITT before Christmas.
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  5. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    thanks @celago22

    I have the entry requirements already, but am planning to add in more school experience over this year anyway - might as well experience as many different schools as I can while still being truly supernumerary!

    Perhaps I’ve misunderstood the whole process. I thought I had to get the school first, then apply to the training organiser. So the school would advertise a vacancy, I’d interview with them and if successful, I’d then go through the training provider’s process too. But it would certainly make more sense to apply direct to the SCITT - i.e. all in one application. I’ll look through all the “get into teaching” route info again. You may well have spotted just where my confusion lies. Fingers crossed. If I have misunderstood all that, I’m glad I asked annoymously here.
  6. Gsr25

    Gsr25 Occasional commenter

    It depends on your area. Where I am the applications open mid October they also fill up pretty quickly.
  7. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    @Gsr25 many thanks - Mid October is earlier than I was expecting, so very glad for the warning.
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  8. celago22

    celago22 Established commenter

    You apply through UCAS to the Scitt, you don't apply to the individual school as far as I'm aware. I guess it's because some Scitt courses offer a PGCE, some don't. I'd recommend that you choose a course which grants you a PGCE (but check whether you'd be expected to pay for it). No question is a stupid question so ask if you need help ;)
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  9. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    ta @celago22 much appreciated - I think the schools advertising the vacancies too confused me. Also, had heard a friend of a friend had passed the school interview but then was in limbo having been refused by the SCITT afterwards, so that made me think they were separate processes.
  10. Basil_Fawlty

    Basil_Fawlty New commenter

    Given the large tax free bursaries available for these subjects, would you not be financially better off going via the unsalaried or PGCE route ?
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  11. celago22

    celago22 Established commenter

    Good point and would also be eligible for maintenance loan! OP could apply for a range of training options on their UCAS. SCITT, University-based, school direct so as not to limit their options. I would definitely recommend a route that offers a PGCE as it is an internationally recognised qualification.
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  12. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    @Basil_Fawlty yes, I think I probably would be better off with the bursary - but that means secondary training. I know I can’t afford to train for primary via the busary scheme, but with a salaried scheme I may just make ends meet, depending on salary. All the info I can find is salary is set by schools, and it seems to vary a bit.

    Posting this question was in a way a long shot, I’m nigh on resigned I’ll have to train for secondary just to be able to get QTS and then perhaps move later. My school experience so far has shown me that while I quite like secondary, it’s the lesson/project planning for primary setting that really excites my interest. I’m a maths/comp sci specialist and I believe that comp sci specialists are very needed in primary (even if the gov haven’t worked that out yet). But I also have a lot of arts/english/tsol experience. Being restricted to one subject at a time like a secondary class, is far less interesting to me than making projects to cover multiple fields. But at least secondary Comp Sci is something that I can bring other subjects into, so the bursary training does feel like an option, even if one forced on me by the finances.
  13. celago22

    celago22 Established commenter

    Don't train in secondary just for the bursary--what's the point? Just train in primary if that's what you want to do. You can still bring your skills into primary and Heads will really love you in primary for having that experience. The PGCE year is tricky financially but you have a year to save up, you will be entitled to a loan and you can work part time during the PGCE. Honestly put your long term career first, primary is amazing! :)
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  14. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    @celago22 I think that’s great general advice.

    I know Primary is amazing, I was a Brown Owl for a while, always liked the 7-10 age group, actually quite like the 10-14s too but I struggle with the under 7s and exam classes I could take or leave. If we still had a middle school training system I’d be sorted! I’ve found several secondary programmes that focus on ks3, so training for secondary isn’t completely against my area of interest, it was the interdisciplinary nature of primary that tipped the balance. I just wish the ideal opportunity that fitted both finances and interests existed!

    I’m moaning a lot, but it’s not like a perfect opportunity ever exists.

    I thank you all for your comments, now I know more about when to look for SCITT vacancies, so I can balance that against the other route deadlines to find the best option and be first in the queue to secure it!
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  15. celago22

    celago22 Established commenter

    Best of luck with the SCITT. Drop back and let us know how you get on :)
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  16. zezmel

    zezmel New commenter

    I don’t know where you live, but there may be options you don’t know exist! I did my training through a county teaching internship. 1 year as a TA/observing/team teaching during which I was paid a TA wage and year two as an unqualified teacher with my own class (paid UQT wages - training fees). I stumbled upon it by accident and drove the the next county every day to access it! Surely it can’t be the only scheme like that in the country.
  17. Gsr25

    Gsr25 Occasional commenter

    What was it called @zeza_melia have you finished it now?
  18. zezmel

    zezmel New commenter

    It was the Cambridgeshire paid teacher internship and yes, I have now finished. The second year was via The Cambridge Partnership. Highly recommend if your county does something similar.
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  19. marbeless

    marbeless New commenter

    Hi Folks, thanks for all your suggestions, since my original post, I have found there are a couple of courses which are 7-14 with Computer Science specialism at secondary and KS2 whole curriculm at Primary... so am heading off to visit days and as long as the finances work (seems they come under secondary since you do specialise in a subject) then I’ve got my preferred choices sorted!

    In case anyone reading this is looking for something similar - I have found both [This comment/section has been removed for breaching our Community Guidelines/Terms and conditions] offer some 7-14 PGCEs, but subjects seem to vary. There may be others, they aren’t easy to find since listed under secondary in the new all England search engine, but 7-14 appears when you click through in the course details.
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  20. PersianCatLady

    PersianCatLady Occasional commenter

    Hi Marbleless,

    I was just like you last year, concerned about the financial implications and wanted to teach Computer Science. I didn't even bother to look at salaried programs because I went to an Get Into Teaching open evening where the speaker said that it was very rare to get a salaried place locally unless you already had an existing connection to the school.

    As Computer Science is a shortage subject, there is a bursary award for trainees. It may have changed slightly this year but I got a bursary of £26,000 which is paid as £2,100 a month for ten months and a £2,500 "bonus" in February and July. On top of this I was able to get a student loan from SFE for both the tuition fees and for maintenance. Obviously the tuition fee loan goes straight to the provider but the maintenance loan is around £9,000 and paid in three installments of just over £3,000.

    Don't forget as well that you are exempt from paying Council Tax for the time that you are studying so for me as my son is also at university means that I don't have to pay any Council Tax but if you are living with another adult who does have to pay it then your bill should be reduced by 25%.

    Another little thing is that you can buy a TOTUM card from NUS for £12 for the year and that entitles you to discounts from some shops and restaurants. Some people don't find this useful but I got my £12 back in the first month just from using it in Co-Op and New Look.

    I hope that this information is useful to you. If there is anything else that I could help you with please just ask!!!

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