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Finding a job for September 2011 - when, where and how!

Discussion in 'Trainee and student teachers' started by John_in_Luton, Sep 3, 2010.

  1. primenumbers

    primenumbers New commenter

    no1linguist: depend on the subject but with secondary MFL it is quite difficult to find job atm. I did my PGCE at one place and then applied all over the country (apart from the place I did my PGCE - personal reason) and got a job hundred miles away.
    Also, I turned down the job offer at my placement school as well even though it was a decent, supportive school. People thought I was mad to do that but I went to a couple of interviews before that offer and knew exactly what kind of school I wanted to work in. I think you should go into your placement school first and find out if you like the school. You might like it, you might not, make an informed decision then.
  2. Thanks for the advice. Looks it may be a good thing that I'm not really tied to any particular area then!
  3. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    Job opportunities for NQTs really are regional with more openings in the SE and London that North and South West. Generally teacher recruitment fairs at universities will attract the employers who are local and/or have a record of appointing from that university. Most fairs occur in the period from October up until February half term- appointments can be made at any time-the earliest I remember is someone recruited in December for a Summer start. Many schools/La's do start NQTs in July in order to settle them into the school. You are paid on supply rate and in some places contracts start in August so it is a paid summer. In order to appoint in this time scale application pools tend to open in December and you will find interviews from late February onwards. The really busy period is immediately after Easter when the majority of NQT interviews are made.
    good hunting
  4. John_in_Luton

    John_in_Luton Occasional commenter

    Wow, a little flurry of correspondence. OK, post by post:
    Pix, I think it's been covered but other posters, but Trent don't hold a fair. I interviewed one (primary) candidate last year from there, and she did seem a bit undercooked as far as interview preparation was concerned, poor lass (though she did get a job here in the end), but one isn't really a representative sample. I don't see many from there, though, for two reasons; one, because there's no fair I don't get the chance to dangle the bait and lure them down the M1 to here, and two, for the same reason that you never see reps from Nottingham, Derby or Leicester on the recruitment fair circuit; they do all their recruiting direct from the colleges in their own area, including Trent, so students from there are very likely to ge a job locally. (For those in the Essex area, the same happens with ARU - their students rarely venture beyond the borders of Essex, unless it's to leach over into the bordering areas of Cambs, Suffolk, or the northeast London boroughs).
    Which brings me to no1linguist. First thing, and it pains me to say it given that MFL is my own background, but jobs out there for MFL teachers are scarce, and the headlines in the TES recently are not encouraging for the future - pupil numbers are still falling at GCSE. So I would cast the net as widely as possible, and if you see a job opportunity, grab it. A number of authorities will have an email job alert service for secondary subjects, so it's worth going round a few local authority websites and seeing if you can register with them. At least Essex is a part of the country where there are going to be more jobs going in general, though with secondary, and particularly subjects like MFL, history and art, it's going to be pot luck where the jobs arise so keep an open mind.
    SLM81 - am I doing the usual advice and guidance, and job alerts, again this year? Yup, starting from the beginning of the recruitment fair season at half term. Drop me a PM on the system here and I'll add you to my list. Specify where you're training, whether primary or secondary, and if secondary what subject.
    drama newbie, think your questions have been answered here, just keep your eyes open for jobs as drama departments tend to be small so turnover of posts is limited. Spread the net wide in your job search.
    Spurs, welcome back, hope the new job's going well? Look forward to hearing about it if you can sneak away to the next Bank do!
  5. Thanks for the advice. At least with all this doom and gloom, I'm prepared for the worst, so if I do manage to get a job, I'll be very happy!
  6. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    Try targetting the language specialist schools as there at least you can be sure that MFL appears on the curriculum. Essex being such a large place -not to mention including Outer London -then there should be a better field of opportunity than other areas. Suggest set up an email alert from TES to track the opportunities appearing so you will get an overview of the areas where jobs are appearing
  7. This thread is really handy! I am starting my PGCE at a SCITT (the Robert Owen Group) do you have experience of doing recruitment fairs at SCITT? It is validated by Birmingham City University so maybe I could go to one of their recruitment fairs?
    Also my PGCE is in secondary citizenship, what are the job prospects like (in your experience) for this subject?

  8. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    I am not aware of any currently in the Midlands area. There was a large one in Birmingham civic centre about 5 years ago but I think it only ran for a couple of years. Don't confuse the general Graduate fairs with the specific Teacher Recruitment events. The Graduate fairs are aimed at a wider audience and apart from the TDA you would not find specific references to teaching . The teacher recruitment fairs are organised either by the education tutors/lecturers or by the careers services and are specifically focused upon teaching. You should ask your lecturers what they do provide to help you find a post for next year.
  9. John_in_Luton

    John_in_Luton Occasional commenter

    As M'Learned Friend says, not many fairs in the West Midlands. There was one in Warwick last year, though they kept it quiet and not many of us recruiters knew about it. Some SCITT students do go to their local university recruitment fair if there is one. But ask your lecturers what they suggest. In my experience a lot of SCITT students get picked up by their placement schools.
  10. John_in_Luton

    John_in_Luton Occasional commenter

    Oh, and citizenship? You do occasionally see posts advertised for citizenship, but generally it gets bundled with humanities, and in fact I'm seeing a developing trend for recruiting all-rounders across humanities departments rather than individual specialists in history, geography or RE. So develop your second subject and aim to present yourself as an all-rounder offering at least two, if not three, of history, geography, RE and citizenship, and expect to teach a mix of these at KS3 although you may be able to specialise more at KS4.
  11. k1tsun3

    k1tsun3 New commenter

    This is a great thread! Thanks for this! I've been thinking about the recruitment process, and living with a Secondary teacher has come in real handy! I'm starting my PGCE (Secondary English) at King's College London (enrollment on Friday), so I'm going to be looking in London! I can't wait to get started.
    Do you know anything about employers view visa status? I'm currently on an EEA Family Permit, but I won't be submitting my EEA2 application until later this month. As such, I could be waiting until March to receive my 5 year EEA2 stamp. Will this affect my chance of being intvited to an interview or receiving an early offer. I want to keep on top of things early in the course, so I plan on taking my QTS skills test asap and applying for NQT positions as soon as they become available.
    Your advice on this would be much appreciated! Thanks.
  12. Great ideas, thanks! [​IMG]
  13. I've just started my PGCE ENGLISH (Secondary) at Queen's Belfast. It's interesting to hear that there may be demand for English teachers in the S.East. Will this shortage continue into 2011, as I would have no problem relocating to England for a job? English schools have previously (and highly successfully) recruited in N.Ireland. What advise would you give me on looking for a job in England? As a poor student (boo-hoo) I couldn't afford to fly over for multiple job interviews.
  14. Dear John
    Like everyone else - thank you so much for all the helpful advice! I will finish my PGCE in July 2011 and was starting to wonder what the process might be for jobs. I noticed that you mentioned Roehampton (although you won't be there) - do you know when this is? My PGCE is in Primary Teaching.
    Many thanks.
  15. As I understand it each PGCE provider is told, centrally, how many PGCE places they may offer in each of the subject specialisms. This allocation is decided from a national perspective and nationally, we are told, there is no shortage of English teachers. Locally this is manifestly not the case. I am headteacher of a school in Hampshire and know of many colleagues and PGCE providers who would attest that there is a grave shortage of English teachers generally and English NQTs in particular in our area.

    In short, if you are happy to relocate to the South East and you have the requisite attitudes and attributes, you will be very much in demand. I for one would be happy to have a conversation with you!

    Good luck.
  16. Hi I am doing a SCITT Course for my PGCE so at a school West Exe
    College in Exeter so how do we get access to the recruitment fairs, as I am associated to Roehampton but that is 300 miles away! Any advice greatly appreciated doing PGCE Secondary Science.
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    Fantastic advice! Thank you, John, for starting it all and to all who are
    I'm a Cuban-qualified teacher, but since my qualifications don't
    "translate" into British QTS, I managed to get my degree recognised
    by NARIC as a British Bachelor’s Standard instead. I also somehow managed to get a
    place at UWE and, after scores of GCSE equivalency tests and mountains of paperwork,
    I’m starting my PGCE on Monday (Upper Primary with Specialism in Spanish).
    My dilemma
    is that, although we are currently Bristol
    based, my family and I have been looking into moving down to North
    Devon within the next year or so. Bad timing as it is in terms of
    my career, it seems to be the right move for my wife’s and our children’s
    I have been told by someone who just finished his PGCE in Exeter
    that only about 40% of his course had secured jobs by the end of the summer
    term. And everything I have read on this thread so far confirms the South West
    as one of the barren lands when it comes to jobs available.
    I will obviously be
    placed in or around Bristol during
    the course (except for the 4 weeks in Murcia,
    Spain – yippee!),
    so would have to compete for jobs down south as a total outsider. Oh, dear!
    realise that I will get a lot of specific info once the course begins but any
    feedback would be much appreciated. Would I be mad to even consider the Devon
    idea? Should I try and get a job in Bristol
    for a couple of years and then have a go? Would the Spanish bit of the course
    title give any sort of advantage?
  18. John_in_Luton

    John_in_Luton Occasional commenter

    Taking skills tests early - excellent idea, hope everyone else does. Don't let them drift.
    As for your status, if you're an EEA resident this won't be an issue. It's only if you're from outside the EEA and require a work permit that things can get complicated because of the restrictions introduced last year by the Borders Agency.
  19. John_in_Luton

    John_in_Luton Occasional commenter

    The shortage of English teachers will definitely continue into this coming year. In terms of looking for a job here, schools will expect to interview face to face, but I have the solution. There are cheap flights from Belfast to Luton. Ignore everywhere else, apply to me, I pass your application round my schools, you fly over for an interview, teach a stunning demonstration lesson, and job sorted!
    But I suppose I should give the competition a look in. There are fairs at a couple of the Belfast colleges, St Mary's and Strathmillis I believe. I've not been over - they tend to come very late in the season, in February, and it's clashed with other things here so I haven't been able to go. Some of the English authorities are represented there - Kent have a presence, and Essex, for example, and I don't know about last year but the year before Coventry flew a whole team over and were apparently doing interviews on the spot.
  20. John_in_Luton

    John_in_Luton Occasional commenter

    I do. The fair at Roehampton is on December 15th, and I won't be there myself because I'm going to York St John which is on the same day, but my assistant Jacky will be there beaming happily at all those enlightened enough to consider Luton, so roll up and collect your free highlighter!
    A word of warning about the nature of fairs in general. Some of the colleges advertise them as starting mid-morning and running till 3 or 4. In practice, because many of us have long journeys home afterwards (and any journey involving the M25 counts as long), as soon as students stop coming through the doors we fold up our tents and steal away. As a rule of thumb, if a fair I'm going to is scheduled to run from 11 till 4, I usually reckon on all of us being on the road by half past two, or three at the latest. Last year I had a call from a student at Roehampton who rolled up at half three after Jacky had left, and so didn't get the information from us and missed our pool deadline. So the best time to turn up at the fair is around lunchtime.

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