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Feminism and Islam problem in school

Discussion in 'Education news' started by gregometer, Jan 13, 2016.

  1. gregometer

    gregometer Occasional commenter

    Moral dilemma faced today:

    Girl in form crying. Saw me privately at breaktime. Father hitting Mother. Father told girl it is okay because the prophet has said it is fine and ok to hit women if they step out of line. (Suspect father drinks). Girl says she has read this in Koran during Madrasa class. Doesn't want to be a Muslim anymore. Afraid of being at home. Doesn't want to be hit by men. Wants to 'run away' to somewhere safe.

    What to do?

    Have written up conversation and passed it to Child Protection Coordinator. Informally told it is difficult because they are Muslim. Unlikely that anything will be done.

    Anything else I can do?
  2. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    It's a domestic abuse problem not one about feminism. You passed the issue to Child Protection. That's what you are supposed to do. Keep an eye out and do the same if you have further concerns.
    FrankWolley likes this.
  3. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    From what I gather this attitude is far too common. If anything the law needs to come down even harder, when Muslims are involved, to make it crystal clear that all people living in the UK are subject to UK law.

    Personally, regardless of what the school says, I would encourage this young lady to go down to the police station and make a statement, and I'd go with her for support.
  4. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Child safeguarding. Social services!
  5. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    I don't disagree with this. However, in this case the child has clearly witnessed a criminal assault, and so this should be reported to the police too.

    Oh, by the way, if the child could confirm that the father drinks I'd be inclined to report it to his local mosque and (even though I think they shouldn't exist) his local Sharia court.

    I've zero tolerance for men who beat or abuse their wives.
  6. nearmiss

    nearmiss Lead commenter

    I agree with David that this girl has witnessed a criminal assault and needs the courage to report it as such.

    However, for balance we need to be aware that there are parts of christendom that have a lot of catching up to do on the topic of feminism.


    and furthermore there are still some members of the British judiciary who need to know that blaming the victim is not justice in cases of domestic violence regardless of whether the perpetrator is a man or a woman.
  7. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Surely if we want people to be seen to be treated equally under the law we should treat them equally under the law?
    The law needs to be applied in exactly the same way regardless of religion or lack thereof
    GLsghost likes this.
  8. palmtree100

    palmtree100 Lead commenter

    I find this hard to believe. Abuse is abuse and all the CP training we've had has given the strong message that "religion" or "culture" is not an excuse. I find your CP officer's comments very unusual indeed.
  9. palmtree100

    palmtree100 Lead commenter

    Not a lot they can do to stop him drinking, as alcohol is legal in this country. What could the mosque do? Perhaps the imam could have a gentle word with him. But I would hope they would try and intervene to stop the abuse by reporting it to the police and helping the woman get divorced if that's what she wants.
  10. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I wouldn't dream of informing the local mosque - apart from the fact that it might not be the mosque the perpetrator attends - how can you ensure the girl's safety? Do you know what influence the perpetrator may have there?

    School's CP person, social services and police are the only people one should talk to about this.
  11. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    A home visit by anyone with the authority to question / challenge the father is unwise. There is no knowing what his response might be after refuting the allegations. If the mother attends events or escorts her child to school she could be invited to discuss the fact that her daughter has been upset and whether she might know why. If the mother decides to disclose the abuse she can be informed about her rights under our law and what steps could be taken to protect her and her daughter. Without the mother corroborating what her daughter has said it would be very difficult to proceed.
  12. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    All of this assumes the OP is authentic.
    palmtree100 likes this.
  13. wanet

    wanet Star commenter

    If genuine OP did correct thing, passed it on. Hope kept a record that this was done. Nothing more to do, except perhaps if you want to check on outcome. I would assume that police have been informed, even if they feel that they can't react. But would have thought they would visit and get mum's side of the story.
  14. palmtree100

    palmtree100 Lead commenter

    I also struggled to believe this one.

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