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Father of knife victim appeals to teachers to help tackle the crime

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Nov 14, 2019.

  1. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    we do this

    what effect does it have?

    does anyone know whether it decreases carrying of knives, increases it or has no effect at all?

    We have excluded for carrying a knife into school within weeks of having "experts" in assemblies. On at least one occasion, that is where the culprit got the idea from.
  2. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    I think you are saying "what schools could do" when you actually mean, "while students are conveniently grouped together under one roof".

    It is not the role of a school to try to resolve knife crime or any other social ill, other than to raise awareness in PSHE. Other organisations may wish to come into a school and do the social work. I have no problem with this. It is absolutely not up to the school to decide how to address knife crime.

    it is social work. Police arrest them after someone gets stabbed. Social work is about stopping the crime before it happens.
  3. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    You'd better contact the Metropolitan Police Commissioner and tell her she's interfering in social work then

    "The police care about young people and would always prefer to prevent crime rather than have to detect it...."

  4. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    Fine. Let the Met come up with a plan for addressing knife crime and implement it. If that plan involves them going into schools, fine with me. The school can act as a venue , nothing else.
  5. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    My last school had annual year group assembly talks given by the police about guns and knives. Whether it made any difference to student attitudes I don’t know. I just used to escort my form group to assembly and leave them there as required. I can’t remember ever being given any follow up PHSE lessons about the topic and only ever saw the talk myself once, when I happened to be on assembly duty that week.
  6. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    We all have a responsibility to educate the next generation so we have well informed citizens. This includes the wider skills and knowledge needed beyond specific subjects. That schools, as part of the community, can help in the development of their character.

    Knife crime is a symptom of wider issues that can be addressed in schools. I imagine most schools already do something around the ideas that it is not okay to hurt people, bully them etc. But there may be room to do more in some schools. That the consequences of certain actions are not always fully appreciated, either through ignorance or experience (I have known of a school where certain children have injured others and ended up effectively rewarded by the sanction by the school - what message does this instil in them). Similarly the social and justice systems need to play their part. There was a video not that long ago where young children were jumping on a police car/stopping cars by standing in the road. How do you get to a situation where someone thinks that a) it is okay to do that and b) not worried about doing it?
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  7. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter

    You do by taking away the fear of being caught and punished. If those children were arrested, locked up in a cell over night and then fined heavily (money taken from their parents - or their parents benefits) and it made clear that any repetition would lead to a custodial sentence, the word would get round. But they clearly have no fear of the consequences of their actions.
  8. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    I do not believe that there is room for schools to do more.

    Teachers are not social workers.

    Social work departments, police, university researchers can all come into a school and implement their plans while all of those teenagers are conveniently grouped together. I just do not see that the school has any responsibility, need or desire to address social ills. We are teachers.

    How we got to this situation is not the concern of a school.
  9. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    Exactly it is learned behaviour. The fault is not with any one system though but a combination of each system allowing the behaviour to develop. Yes you'll not end everything, but we should at least get to a point where it more unexpected to happen.

    See above. It isn't a matter of schools doing more. Having an effective behaviour management policy is one thing that would help along with relevant PSHE delivered in schools.
  10. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    No argument from me.
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  11. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    Hardly. Certain teaching professionals is quite specific. He should be blaming people who have cut the police force to ribbons not certain teaching professionals.

    People need to stop blaming teachers for the consequences of unilateral decisions of enormous magnitude made by Tory politicians, who the media fail to properly call to account.
  12. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    I said that about something completely different. Please don't quote me out of context. Thank you.
  13. ViolaClef

    ViolaClef Lead commenter

    It would be refreshing to read that someone thinks that it is the parents’ job to discuss issues with their children, set boundaries and teach them things. So often with society’s ills the first thing people do is say that teachers and schools should be sorting it out.
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  14. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    How are you being quoted out of context?

    It is fairly self evident that the OP and TES article quoted is talking about what teachers can do rather than institutions

    "said the steps teachers could take to help tackle knife crime included"
  15. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    Exactly. Teacher have been sayingf this for a very long time.
  16. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    There IS a link between knife crime and poverty. Patel says government has NO responsibility for poverty.
    Go figure.
  17. bessiesmith2

    bessiesmith2 New commenter

    Agreed that this is a rather baffling admission of hopelessness by Patel. If her government has no strategies to lift people out of poverty then what is it for? All of the institutions she mentions such as local authorities, education, public services are ultimately answerable to the government. How much autonomy they have is decided by the..... government. If things aren't working in their current guise it is up to ....... the government to improve things.

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