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Failing Grayling

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MAGAorMIGA, Jan 24, 2020.


    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    A rape victim of Joseph McCann has blamed Chris Grayling and the Tory government's privatisation of probation services for the wrongful release of her rapist. Grayling is denying everything and is trying to pass the buck.
  2. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    How was the probation service (privatised or otherwise) responsible for granting his release?
  3. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Surely noto_O
    Laphroig likes this.

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

  5. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    Just watched the news report plus interview with victim on the BBC news. Brave woman speaking out to highlight the massive failings fundamentally due to Grayling’s implementation of cuts. Disgraceful situation!
    eljefeb90 and MAGAorMIGA like this.
  6. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Despite the failings, the probation service were not responsible for his release. It's not in their remit.
    nomad likes this.
  7. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    And so he should.

    Under the terms of the determinate sentence, McCann was released on licence at the midway point. It was while out on licence that he committed the string of sexual offences for which he has been convicted.

    Ultimately, McCann should have been recalled to prison on the terms of his IPP sentence, rather than sentenced anew for the burglary offence.

    If this had happened, he would have returned to prison on the terms of the IPP and would have been required to complete a Parole Board assessment before release.

    But as he was re-sentenced on a determinate sentence, he was released at the midway point on licence automatically without Parole Board intervention.
    alex_teccy and LondonCanary like this.
  8. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Pesky things, facts. And the way they mess up the narrative.
    LondonCanary and nomad like this.
  9. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    Whilst his release was maybe down to human error, fundamentally, that error needs to be set in the context of the dire situation the probation sector finds itself in, largely due to Tory cuts and Chris Grayling, as Justice Secretary, introducing privatisation.

    From The Guardian:

    "The oversight could be down to human error. But such an error would have occurred in a probation sector that was in crisis. The Ministry of Justice’s budget has been slashed by 40% in real terms since 2010, one of the biggest departmental cuts across government. The probation service came under more pressure in 2014 when the then justice secretary, Chris Grayling, sliced it up into a public body and 21 privatised companies. Since that disastrous overhaul, it has been hit with a slew of damning reports from the inspectorate, the justice select committee, workers and academics.

    The annual report of the chief inspector of probation found that the pressures across the NPS were felt most keenly at probation officer level, where staff shortages are greatest. The NPS position varies at local level, but the inspectorate found probation officer workloads at 120% to 160% of capacity.

    A recent inspection report on the south-east and eastern division, which was responsible for McCann’s supervision, was damning. The inspectorate found the division had “significant staff shortages” and the highest workload of the NPS’s seven divisions.

    With a shortfall of 102 probation officers at the time of the inspection, the inspectors found it should be a recruitment priority for the Ministry of Justice. More than half of the responsible officers interviewed reported that their workloads were unmanageable."


    That's what the victim speaking on TV last night was most concerned about. That, and the fact that there are still 600 probation officer vacancies in England and Wales, according to the same news item. She was angry that probably some front line worker will have the book thrown at them when the real fault lies with a system so run down by the Tory government that errors like this were bound to happen.
    MAGAorMIGA and phlogiston like this.
  10. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    So you agree that it was incorrect to blame
    "the privatisation of probation services for the wrongful release of her rapist"
  11. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    Did you actually read my post?
  12. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Sure. It was unrelated to the specifics of the OP. You suggest that the events described by Nomad were due to a rundown of the system.
  13. smoothnewt

    smoothnewt Star commenter

    Totally related to the OP. To be honest I can't be bothered to engage with your need for this kind of nit-picking purely for the sake of points scoring. My point of view stands as in post 9, clearly in line with the OP.
    Incommunicado likes this.
  14. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

  15. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    So as I see those pesky facts.
    McCann released on license. Meant to be supervised. This supervision was probably inadequate as a result of cuts and resulting workload.
    He starts the sexual offences. He may well have done these no matter what the supervision. He commits a number of offences before eventual arrest and imprisonment.
    Grayling was the front man for these cuts. If he hadn't been in charge some other member of the government would have implemented them.
    The government were following the policies voted for by the electorate.....
    The governmental choices made a bad situation worse.
    Yes, he was the front man for the dodgy decision, but it's more complex than that. Same as I can't blame Mr Gove for some kids I know failing their GCSEs.
    nomad likes this.

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