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Facebook Hate Page - advice?

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by RaymondSoltysek, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. RaymondSoltysek

    RaymondSoltysek New commenter

    Yes it is bullying. Yes, SLT need to get involved. Yes, the kids and parents should be spoken to - but NOT by the teacher. The OP - the victim - should say nothing to the pupils: any action should come from SLT on the basis of "we've noticed a Facebook page...". That's what I meant.
  2. LittleStreams

    LittleStreams New commenter

    Personally, I wouldn't do anything, as it's been inactive for so long, and as not many kids have joined (I think that says something positive about you) but that' just me. However, if this happened to someone I know, I'd probably be telling them to report it.
  3. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    I'd go for the ignoring it option. Looks like a teen girl had a strop and then got over it. Only her friends joined in and probably only for a laugh. They have got over it and so should you.

    It isn't bullying unless it is part of a sustained attack on you. A one off strop by a kid feeling disgruntled, who is unsupported by almost all of her FB friends, is hardly a problem. Do you inform parents and SLT everytime a child mutters 'I hate you' when you tell them off?

    If hundreds had joined and were still making comments then I'd say report it, but a one off? Stick with the cackling with glee!
  4. Cheers for all your advice folks. Much appreciated. :)
    The girl in question isn't a nasty type - she is actually very bright but went through a phase of not trying in lessons, being a pain etc. As one of her form tutors I was frequently on her case, hence her strop! I think my course of action will reflect both schools of thought on this, based on the excellent advice you lot have given.
    I will flag it with SLT - although I am not bothered, it has been set up and is out there in cyberspace and I would like it to be officially noted - just in case: The group is accidentially discovered by other pupils, I have to deal with this girl again regarding her behaviour which might encourage her to re-discover the group, Something like this could happen to a colleague who might take it more to heart. But I won't push for severe sanctions on this girl as it was set up a good while ago, it only has 8 members and it could risk aggravating a situation when it was just her throwing a hissy fit in the first place.
    I think I will ask for SLT to have a quiet but serious word with her, saying that 'they' discovered it, rather than me (and that I don't know anything about it), they are going to get Facebook to remove the page and that any repeat of this behaviour from her will result in serious action etc.
    Thanks again folks :)
  5. Whilst the consensus above on what should be done seems pretty sound, it may help for the future if you were to reflect on why it is that you are"the only teacher
    from my school with my own hate group", and why you "genuinely cackled with glee" and felt flattered by this. Perhaps there is more support you can be given during the rest of your NQT year on building positive relationships with pupils and avoiding having this unique accolade within the staffroom. Obviously the pupils were ill-advised to publish their feelings in this way, but a much happier outcome (for you) in the long term would be if you handled issues in the classroom in such a way that this was unlikely to arise. Some discussion with your mentor and pastoral leaders may be useful here.
  6. That's a really interesting point, James. Mr Gorgy was much less sympathetic than me, and said that the teachers concerned deserved it. I was just putting myself in their position and thinking how I would feel - devastated.
  7. Thanks to all for the good advice again :)
    To give you all some idea as to why the hate group was set up it, seems to stem from this, "mr ***** gave me a detention and when my friends came and pulled silly faces at me he told me to sit outside. spoilsport" This is the only post on that groups wall and it was made by the group founder. :)
    JamesTES, you state "it may help for the future if you were to reflect on why it is that you are"the only teacher from my school with my own hate group", Why should I 'reflect' on the actions of one sulky teenager? I might as well try and predict tomorrows weather patterns using a crystal ball. The girl was persistently misbehaving and underperforming, was on report and being monitored by me as her form tutor. Everytime she failed to hit her targets, she got a detention. I followed the school behaviour management policy and ultimately it worked and now, there are no more problems with this girl and she is hitting her targets and behaving well.
    "and why you "genuinely cackled with glee" - because I found it hilarious. :)
    "and felt flattered by this." I feel flattered because I am doing something right as an NQT - alot of NQT issues seem to be based around students behaviour and getting them to even turn up for detentions. Here we have proof that she did turn up and didn't enjoy the experience :)
    "Perhaps there is more support you can be given during the rest of your NQT year on building positive relationships with pupils" You are presuming that I dont have a positive relationship with the majority of pupils I teach? Naturally, you need to define what you mean by 'positive relationship' but on balance, I seem get on with most of the pupils I teach and (currently at least) don't have too many recurring bahvioural issues to deal with. The ones I do have problems with tend to be playing up in other lessons too. I try to keep a balance between being approachable, personable and helpful enough for them to feel comfortable and hopefully enjoy the lessons but strict and consistent enough to keep behaviour under control. I don't claim to be perfect but I try!
    Given that when this girl started the hate group last year, her friends all would have seen it/had access to it. Seeing as it has a grand total of 8 members, I can only presume that most of the pupils who saw it (i have no idea how many) chose not to join. Surely that can be taken as proof of 'positive relationships' with pupils?
    "and avoiding having this unique accolade within the staffroom" - why would I want to avoid this? Its proof of me handing out effective sanctions :)
    "but a much happier outcome (for you) in the long term". You presume I would be 'happier' without there being a hate group about me when in fact it doesnt bother me at all.
    "would be if you handled issues in the classroom in such a way that this was unlikely to arise" I don't teach this girl. I am her tutor and issuing sanctions based on feedback from her actual teachers. Seeing as she was acting up in a <u>range</u> of lessons, was it that all these teachers were concidentially handling her badly or was it in fact the blame lied squarely on her shoulders for her own choice of behaviour?
    Thank you for your feedback though.
  8. Hi Gorgy
    Thanks for your feedback but I wondered why Mr Gorgy thought I might have deserved it? :)
    My post above gives some more information about what sparked off her setting up the group.
  9. 'Thanks for your feedback but I wondered why Mr Gorgy thought I might have deserved it? '
    My guess is that he isn't a teacher.
  10. Tom_Bennett

    Tom_Bennett Occasional commenter

    Hi There CM, sorry to hear about your experience.

    1. Spoke to a brilliant school police officer, PC Anonymous, who told me
    about the virtual problem taking up a real-time chunk of his life:
    Cyberbullying. I've written about this here. This is now a huge problem,
    as the anonymity of the internet, and the dislocation of intent and
    harm caused by typing away on your lonesome, contributes to an explosion
    of children saying very nasty things indeed about their peers in a very
    public way. The odd thing here is that many of the comments made would
    never have seen the light of day had they not been facilitated by the
    secret, undercover world of the internet. In essence, Facebook and other
    platforms have made it easier for people to be bullied, victimised,
    subject to harassment and intimidation. And let's face it, at least it
    sometimes takes balls to say those things in public; in your bedroom,
    hiding behind someone else's name, it becomes as easy as logging on.


    So how does he tackle it? Scotland Yard now has a dedicated unit for
    dealing with this problem, and all that a police officer has to do is to
    contact this unit, who in turn contact Facebook- if they see any posts
    that break their terms and conditions, they can perform the ultimate
    digital disinfection: deleting the account. The reason that this is
    important is that many teachers and SLT think that this is a
    complicated, technical process; it's not. It's as simple as reporting
    anything else. And believe me, it's worth not ignoring this kind
    of bullying- to the victims, it's as real, and perhaps often more
    personal, more private, than traditional bullying over pocket money,
    because it invades their bedrooms. Worse, it involves their on-line
    personae. We have a generation of children who increasingly identify
    their self-image with their on-line presence; their avatars, their
    usernames, the groups they join, the content they generate. For someone
    to have that element of their identity attacked is to feel a very
    peculiar and omnipresent form of being haunted. The on-line world has no
    physical form; it surrounds us conceptually. How do you run from that?

    And it's not just teenagers:
    in 2009, research by the Association of Teachers and Lecturers and the
    Teacher Support Network suggested 15% of teachers had experienced
    cyberbullying, often from parents.

    the sensation of having one's account removed is, for some teenagers,
    akin to having an elbow removed (or a leg?). In some ways, it's the
    perfect sanction; for some, devastating, yet involving no actual
    physical punishment, merely the to-be-expected outcome of breaking a
    contract, buried deep within the bits of Facebook nobody ever reads
    (usually right next to the bit about them owning everything you upload
    to Facebook, and your rights to privacy, which can be summarised in a
    haiku). You can tell that it's traumatic, because there are Facebook
    groups already called things like 'They deleeted mi payge for no reeson Facebuk ar crimnals,'
    and other unlovely contortions of grammar and syntax. (Oddly enough,
    although finding some of the settings information on Facebook is so
    complex that it appears to be an attempt to introduce gamification into
    the experience, the terms and conditions could be discovered by a dog
    with no nose.)

    Here are some of the transgressions for which Facebook can delete your profile. Section 3 of their terms of use say:

    <ol>[*] You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user.[*] You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or
    pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or
    gratuitous violence.</ol>Section 4:

    <ol>[*] You will not provide any false personal information on
    Facebook, or create an account for anyone other than yourself without
    permission.[*] You will not create more than one personal profile.</ol>So if you have to deal with anything along these lines, don't shrug
    your shoulders and say, 'Well it's the Internet, innit?' Give your
    friendly copper a call, and watch some instant justice being meted out,
    Tron-style. I guarantee satisfaction.
    Good luck
  11. Thanks Tom
    That some brilliant advice you have given - nice one. I am going to see how my SLT approach this and take it from there. I do like the idea of her getting her account deleted. Sends a strong message and she certainly wouldn't do something like that again :)
  12. Tom_Bennett

    Tom_Bennett Occasional commenter

  13. colwynexile

    colwynexile Occasional commenter

    And she would have set her account up below the age that Facebook says you have to be before you can open one up (13 yrs), so there's your false information to Facebook.
    And may I say what a wonderfully eloquent reply you gave to the high-horse posting from JamesTES. I sincerely hope they don't work for TES as they've posted their thoughts on the forum without apparently reading it in the first place. Through out you mention this is only a minority and you were 'following orders' as far as BM policies were concerned. It would be truely disappointing if JamesTES have just taken a 'Daily Mail Reader-Style' knee-jerk reaction to it.
  14. To be honest, you've probably missed the boat on this but I and would certainly do A. I'd also contact Facebook and report it to them.

    We had a situation where a colleague (not me) had a similar experience and some of the comments were personal and hurtful.

    You have to remember that this kind of thing could escalate and if said pupils are doing it to you, they may be doing the same to more vulnerable people.

    In extreme, which from the sounds of it this isn't, you should not only raise it with your leadership but also inform the police and register it as hate crime. These days, your school should have a policy on cyber bullying that covers both pupils and staff.

    Your attitude in laughing it off is probably correct, but cover yourself and report it.

    Before the age of the internet, I had a situation where a group of pupils got hold of my home phone number despite being ex-directory. It made for several months of very unwelcome nuisance calls and it was only by chance, when one of the kids involved accidentally dropped himself in it that we got to the bottom of it. My managers took immediate action and involved parents and it stopped it completely.

    The pupils involved in your episode need to learn that they are responsible for their online presence and have to face consequences if they abuse it.
  15. Hello,
    A friend teaching at a high school was warned by a student that there was a posting on facebook about him. The student gave my friend his username and password so he could see the page. It was put up by a student that he had taken one of those rubber wrist bands off, not part of school uniform. He had used a picture taken in the school grounds without my friend knowing and several students had also added some comments that were not flattering.
    It raised several issues. My friend was also unsure what to do but we said employers are now looking at social sites such as facebook as it was in the public domain and could influence how future employees looked at him.
    The page was not created during school time but involved students from the school as well as the teacher. So the end result was two students were suspended for two days and told to take the page down which they did do. My friend has also taken his own page down from facebook. He was also disappointed to see that the students who had added comments were ones he had helped previously as their Year Co-ordinator.
    I guess it is an example of how technology is enhancing our work but also how it is lurking in the background to harm us.
    Greeting from Australia.
  16. I almost think I would leave it alone. I would print a copy of it, though. "Just in case"...you never know.
  17. My god! We really don't need the government in order to create the surveillance State that New Labour seemed to be moving towards, when we've got the self-appointed Stasi running the classrooms. You think teachers should be calling the police in because someone has written something about them that they don't like? What happened to freedom of speech? If it had been an old-fashioned poster, I suppose you'd have wanted the police to force the authors to apologize and burn it in public. Then the next generation of teachers could demand that the authors, not just the words, be burnt. Of course, by then, your successors may well have little devices that can detect who harbours such subversive thoughts, and spare them the burning by adjusting their aberrant minds. What did you think of the "cured" hooligans in A Clockwork Orange? Can't you perceive where you're going?
  18. 'What happened to freedom of speech?'
    Ask the teacher who's lost her job because of stating in a blog..... a private blog, mind you, and no names mentioned..... that her students were lazy, unmotivated loudmouths? Ask those people who object to anyone telling truth about what's going on in schools.
  19. Thanks for your reply, Campamania, it sounds like you are perhaps not the sort of reflective practitioner that I hoped you might become. But I am glad the student is now more successful in her learning; that you appear to take credit for this occuring as a result of your involvement last year is an interesting observation.
  20. Personally, I would not take any action that lets the pupils know you are aware of it at this stage, but I would mention it discreetly to your line manager/head of department/relevant person. Just keep an eye open for any further 'stirring' and only take action if that occurs. Just my humble opinion.

    I'm sure you do, but I would also check spellings on work handed out to pupils....... ('Lo and behold' not 'low'; 'affect my relationship', not 'effect', etc.)


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