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Discussion in 'Ofsted inspections' started by mystery10, Sep 21, 2011.

  1. mystery10

    mystery10 Occasional commenter

    What is P8 at the end of reception - I don't know what P levels are or what they mean. Are all children given these?
  2. littlerussell

    littlerussell New commenter

    P-scales are below level 1. They can apply to very young children, or to children who have significant delays in their ability.
  3. mystery10

    mystery10 Occasional commenter

    So isn't what the earlier poster said an inspector said rather unlikely - that a child who was P8 at the end of reception should be 2a (above average) by the end of KS1?
  4. Well, if point 8 FSP in most areas of CLL, then 2a or 3 at the end of KS1 would be right (above average to above average). A child that gets point 6 in most CLL should get 2B (average to average)
    In most schools it's difficult to measure progress in Y1 because up to Xmas in Y1 some pupils are still working on FSPs. A child that reaches FSP point 3/4 at the end of Reception shouldn't be starting national curriculum until they have the basic skills to cope with it. By the end of Y2 therefore, these pupils will be the ones reaching Level 1.
    Thankfully, Ofsted don't measure attainment on the basis of what happens at the end of KS1

  5. mystery10

    mystery10 Occasional commenter

    But you seem to be saying that P8 is the same as FSP 8? Is this what the inspector quoted above meant then? I thought P scales were for SEN, and foundation stage profile points 1-9 were an entirely different thing.
    How do OFSTED measure attainment? Surely they are interested in what happens at the end of KS1?

  6. Most of the information about attainment at the end of KS1 comes from Raise online for attainment. It is more complex for progress. The usual way is to look at attainment on entry, looking at the percentage of pupils entering the school with below average skills, average skills and above average skills, then comparing it to what happens at the end of KS1. In infant schools, achievement is based largely on this, but also on the progress pupils make between end of Y1 and end of Y2, so there is a lot of weight on what happens in one single year.
  7. mystery10

    mystery10 Occasional commenter

    So how are children measured at the beginning of reception or just prior to the beginning of reception. On the Early Years forum they say that baseline assessment at the start of reception is not a requirement.
  8. It isn't, but if children arrive at a reception-only setting from a variety of private and state nurseries you would be crazy not to do baselines. You could do baselines from either the EYFS bands (ie 30-50 months, 40-60 months or by using the FSP 13 areas of learning (which I prefer being old-fashioned!). In a nursery/reception setting it's sensible to do baselines in the first half term then measure progress across the 13 areas on a half termly basis, setting a minimum target of point 3 on each scale point for the beginning of reception. Some settings then set a further minimum target point of 6 for the end of reception. Settings that are sharp like this on target setting make sure they are very well prepared for Year 1.


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