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Excluded children at risk of knife crime - allegedly

Discussion in 'Education news' started by nomad, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Excluded schoolchildren are at serious risk of becoming involved in knife crime, the children's charity Barnardo's has warned.

    Cause or effect?

    Barnardo's have been careful not to dwell too much on this matter but obviously lean more towards the implication that excluding a pupil puts them more at risk of becoming involved in knife crime.

    However, perhaps being a candidate for exclusion is just an early warning that a pupil is more likely to be involved in knife crime in later life.

  2. install

    install Star commenter

    Society allows knife crimeand isn't doing enough in the first place. Society also allows schools to become dangerous places too if violent students cannot be excluded.

    Teachers need to be paid 'danger money' in some schools if they are not allowed to exclude. Uk society has a habit of blaming teachers for everything.

    If only uk society would sort out it's ills rather than hiding the problem again and again and pretending that teachers are somehow child minders, police officers, psychologists, parents, social workers and more. Teachers want to teach in a safe, healthy and friendly environment:cool:
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2018
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  3. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Ooh yes.

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  4. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    A radical idea - why don’t we look Raytheon curriculum we offer our students - then work out why they don’t want to do it!
  5. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    There are clearly children at risk of becoming involved in knife crime. I suspect (but have no data) that many of them are still at risk in the late afternoon and evening, even if they go to school.
    I suspect that the children for whom mainstream schools are not appropriate places will be at more risk if they're out on the streets rather than being occupied.
    I'm sure Barnardo's wants the best outcome for these youngsters and doesn't just want to force them back into school. Sadly there are some kids who become more rather than less alienated from society as a result of going to school.
  6. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    It's absolutely wrong to exclude these kids.

    We must protect other gang members and ensure those knives stay in the classroom, where they're only a danger to teachers and other pupils.
  7. eljefeb90

    eljefeb90 Senior commenter

    Our local police force did a really excellent montage of news reports about stabbings ...and this was prior to the recent rise in knife crime in about 2013 or 2014.
    None of the news reports mentioned it, confining themselves to the bare facts and a few shots of grieving relatives, but the officer presenting the assembly said that nearly all the victims and perpetrators had been excluded from school.
    Barnados could have pointed to other , more contentious factors: being poor, being from a chaotic family, being black. It's easier to blame schools, of course, despite the lack of alternatives and support services to help troubled kids . Of course, that is only part of the depressing picture. Gang culture, drug dealing and the associated violence attract lads with poor impulse control and a lack of parental consistency.
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  8. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    It would be interesting to know how many perpetrators and victims of knife crime were from settled none chaotic backgrounds. I suspect those statistics are not available.
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  9. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    Once a child has decided to carry a knife to either improve their social standing /street cred or to demand money with menaces other children/staff that are potential victims need safeguarding before they feel the need to carry a knife for self defence. Exclusion prevents the problem escalating at school but responsibility should be passed to another agency to address the issue. Children need to be very aware that there are laws that may be enforced to deter antisocial behaviour. I would be very amenable to having youth boot camps etc to give them a taste of how much they could lose if they decide to live outside the law.
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  10. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    This is a case of correlation rather than causation. A background which leads a student into knife crime is also a background which increases their risk of permanent exclusion from school. To say that permanent exclusion is the variable which increases the risk of falling into knife crime is ridiculous.
  11. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    100% agree. It is all part of a campaign to make schools appear uncaring and intolerant and is paving the way towards legislation which will prevent schools from excluding under any circumstances. What will the effect be on teacher moral and retention and recruitment?
  12. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    Maybe I'm missing something. Raytheon is a US defence contractor. Are you saying they are setting the school curriculum?
  13. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    No bad typo didn’t check it
    Meant to say look at the National curriculum we offer our students
    Then work out why some do not want to do it

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