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Ex Teachers - What would entice you back into teaching?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MrKirby, Nov 11, 2016.

  1. MrKirby

    MrKirby New commenter

    I posted this on my facebook page and was surprised by the response I got, so thought I'd share it here and see if others are thinking the same thing!

    Had a request recently in an email (from a job website) to teach in a school in Monmouthshire! Although I do have a canoe I resisted the urge to point out the difficulties in commuting across the Bristol Channel, but also decided to think about what, if anything,might get me back in the classroom.

    This is an edited version of my reply!

    Thanks for your email. I’m not sure to what extent it is genuine, but I don’t think I have sufficient command of the Welsh language to be any use to you.

    If you are serious about matching me to a teaching position then there are a number of things I would need to be reassured of before considering a post. I left teaching in 2015 with quite a loss of confidence in the education system. I am currently in full time work as a lorry driver and crane operator at present, so dipping in with a bit of supply here and there is not going to work, It would need to be at least a temporary full time post, and preferably permanent before I would consider leaving that employment.

    The school concerned would need to show that music was a bona fide priority, and not an optional extra. They would have a policy of never withdrawing pupils they consider ‘less able’ in core subjects from other subjects in which they showed an interest and ability in order to hammer home more language and maths tasks, compounding their feelings of failure and restricting their opportunity and ability to discover and nurture the skills and talents they were born with!

    They would have to show a realistic appraisal of what data is useful and formative in teaching, and not insist on the collection of endless test results and meaningless performance indicators. They would have to appreciate that many important things are not measurable and that pupils would benefit sometimes from a non-judgemental approach in which they can explore and develop understanding and skills appropriate to their own interests!

    They would need to see choirs, instrumental groups and other extra-curricular music activity as being at least as important as sports teams, if not more so, as they nurture the ability to function in a truly co-operative and mutually supportive environment in a non-competitive and constructive way. They would need to recognise the many hours I would be prepared to put into encouraging and developing individual and collective talent as a strong feature of the school’s planned provision, and not just something the music specialist does out of the kindness of his heart! This might need to be reflected in a reduced contact time, rather than enlisting me to teach French, RE or other subjects to make up the time! (Although I’m not saying that these aren’t very worthwhile and enjoyable subjects to teach!) And above all they would need to show that they truly value the efforts and achievements of all pupils and staff involved in such activity.

    They would need to support pupils with special needs, such as Autism or ADHD, in the classroom context in order that they can benefit and build confidence without undermining the quality of provision for themselves and mainstream children. Music is a subject that, with the right quality and quantity of pupil support, can be of such great benefit to supporting integration and inclusion, but that without it can so easily be sabotaged by inappropriate behaviour, especially in activities that involve the whole class working together on a performance.

    They would need to be committed to my professional development, recognising the daily practice required to maintain high standards of instrumental playing required to lead by example, and acknowledging the continuous rapid and radical changes in music technology that require constant updating and investment in both time and resources. Although my main strengths lie in the Classical and Traditional genres of music I am keen for pupils to be able to discover and pursue their own paths, which requires a very wide experience of more modern styles and techniques.

    If you think that there is a position available that might go a long way towards these priorities then please do let me know. I’m afraid I have become rather more pessimistic about it all, but I’m not one to sit at home and wallow! At least delivering building materials is literally a constructive thing to do in society!

    All the best,


    The reply.....

    Hi Rupert

    Thanks for your e-mail. My e-mail did not mention a requirement to speak Welsh as this is an English medium school.

    Based on your comments below we will not be looking to put you forward for this role.


    Dave H.......

    "It's time to love Mondays"

    Probably very wise!
  2. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Does anyone understand this or is it just me ?
    sabrinakat and les25paul like this.
  3. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    What would entice you back into teaching?

    Manacles leg irons and probably a whip.
    And even then I would try and do a Samson
    dunnocks, peggylu and grumpydogwoman like this.
  4. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    Crikey. Do you expend that much energy on every bit of junk mail that lands in your inbox?
    JL48 and sabrinakat like this.
  5. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Ooh, lots of money and the freedom to do things my own way. As I felt appropriate.

    In which case the money wouldn't matter too much. Just trust me to do a good job for everyone in my class. Leave me alone.
  6. peggylu

    peggylu Star commenter

    @MrKirby well said.

    The reply you got didn't surprise me at all. None of your very valid points about the lack of child based priorities in schools are classed as very important any more I'm afraid. And kudos to you for refusing to be a part of the madness. Love the constructive construction comment lol. :D
  7. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I'm not sure even a generous salary would tempt me back, tbh. Maybe something akin to a premiership footballer might....;)
  8. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    No matter what the pay was I'd rather gouge out both my eyes with rusty nails than set foot in a classroom again.

    I feel lucky and privileged to do what I do now even though I'll never earn what I did in teaching.
    Shedman, marymoocow, Moony and 3 others like this.
  9. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    I still think teaching is a vitally important job and given the right circumstances school can still be very rewarding.

    I was never in teaching for the money, so that wouldn't be a factor for me.

    However listening to ex-colleagues talk about ever increasing class sizes, indiscipline, the drive for data and less emphasis on the child and individual mean I wouldn't be thinking of returning anytime soon.
    emerald52 likes this.
  10. slingshotsally

    slingshotsally Star commenter

    1. 1hr staff meeting a week, but only if required
    2. All new/old changes stress tested and staff debate proofed
    3. No emails to be sent to staff or between staff after 5pm or during weekends
    4. Marking- conversations are done verbally...
    5. Smaller classes
    6. Resources to teach with
    7. Books for children to write in
    8. SEN supported properly
    9. All staff trained properly to observe, feedback and mentor professionally.
    10. Let teaching staff observe HT & SLT - Great leaders lead by example, inspire their troops with more than just latest jargon.
    11. Work life balance and health of staff held in as high a regard as children's learning and health.
  11. Calpurnia99

    Calpurnia99 Star commenter

    A time machine.

    And a device that eliminated exclamation marks.
  12. RedBedHead94

    RedBedHead94 Established commenter

    1) A LOT money.
    2) Less ridiculous micromanaging.
    3) Decreased workload and paperwork delegation reintroduced
    4) An end to the demonisation of our noble profession.
    5) EVERYTHING @slingshotsally wrote above.

    I had to explain this list to some vulture education recruitment agency person last night when they called me unsolicited and wouldn't take "I am no longer seeking employment in education" as a firm answer. They got scared and hung up

    Damn straight, QualiTeach LTD - working in schools IS scary! Try it for yourself before trying to pressure people into signing up for your agency to offer them up to your Academy clients...
  13. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Ah-ha- that was my first thought too! ;)
    slingshotsally likes this.
  14. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    1. Management that saw poor behaviour (especially that of the usual suspects) as the pupils' fault and
    not the teachers'.
    2. The end of education by teacher-produced worksheets. There is no advantage to pupils completing
    gap-fill exercises written by me over ones that are provided in text books. My expertise is in being
    able to explain MFL issues to pupils and I can't do that as effectively when I'm worn out from
    re-inventing the wheel and chasing down photocopied material that the pupils don't keep for revision
    3. Management following up on verbal and physical assaults by pupils on teachers. I left my last
    temporary job after no-one did anything about a heavy object being thrown at me in the Food
    technology room as pupils were leaving.
  15. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Wild horses and a golden hello of £50,000.
    slingshotsally and Mangleworzle like this.
  16. indusant

    indusant Senior commenter

    - More experienced teachers, fewer managers/ administrators.
    - Smaller class sizes.
    - Learning for the love of learning, not just exam factories.
    - No pointless paperwork.
    - The restoration of professional judgement.
    - Trust.

    In a nutshell.
  17. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    Office admin staff/people to help with photocopying jams/trip form filling, yes. Ones there to criticise, no.
    slingshotsally and indusant like this.
  18. MrKirby

    MrKirby New commenter

    Glad to say I don't get much junk mail. However this organisation, like other job sites it seems, in seeking to find work in a 30 mile radius, fails to allow for the existence of the Bristol Channel!
    Once started got hooked on the soap box!
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  19. MrKirby

    MrKirby New commenter

    No, not just you. It's pretty clear anyone involved in politics is as much in the dark about it!
    slingshotsally likes this.
  20. MrKirby

    MrKirby New commenter

    hear hear!
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