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Even for Trump ....

Discussion in 'Personal' started by moscowbore, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    This is unbelievable

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49793408

    Evidence would suggest that Trumpy asked a foreign PM to investigate one of his rivals, Joe Biden.
    Trump's cagey denials add fuel to the fire.

    Is this one scandal too many even for Trumpy?
     
  2. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    One would hope so, but probably not. Trumpism has become normalised!
     
  3. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Despite all the scandals and all the evidence the Democrats seem reluctant to pull the trigger on this President. I can only assume that he has just as much dirt on them as they have on him.
     
  4. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    Or, they are more afraid of Pence
     
  5. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Which is worse ?
     
  6. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Well is he going to win another 4 years?
     
  7. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Lead commenter

    I think that may partly depend on whether he receives an assist from his oligarchical Russian patrons (with whom he has much in common).

    Been looking into this recently. I was initially sceptical, but without conceding anything to the agency of the US electorate, there was definite influence.

    Another factor would be whether people are willing to go along with his constant lying. In his first 298 days in office, Trump made 1,628 false or misleading claims. That would probably put him somewhat ahead of Boris Johnson, another leader for whom telling the truth is the exception.

    More generally, his appeal probably remains undiminished for those who have bought the fiction that he is a successful entrepreneur, and who have adopted the view that - since no one ever tells the truth these days, and perhaps there is no truth - let's just simply keep repeating the things that we want to hear, and follow those who reinforce our own emotivistic prejudices.
     
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  8. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    I don't think they care a jot about whether or not he is a successful entrepreneur. If he gets back in, it will because the US economy has grown under his leadership.
     
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  9. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    No, Trump will not be impeached - the diabolical Republicans in Senate will see to that, as they will refuse to impeach, even if they are presented with incontrovertible evidence.
    Yes, Trump will win a second four-year term. Despite the hideousness of his Presidency, the Democrats have yet to make a real mark. I hope all that will change once Elizabeth warren becomes the official Democratic Party challenger.

    Here's why Trump will win - the inbuilt Republican advantage, gained by gerrymandering America itself and the Senate over a century ago:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/when-adding-new-states-helped-republicans/598243/?utm_term=2019-09-19T10%3A00%3A40&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    and what to do about it:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/heres-how-fix-senate/579172/
     
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  10. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    This may be so, but hopefully enough will understand that the reason the USA economy has gotten better is because Trump has dumped many of the laws and restrictions that were in place to protect the environment. Thus his apparent improvement in the economy will be paid for by the next generation. The man is a disgrace.
     
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  11. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    "...let's just simply keep repeating the things that we want to hear, and follow those who reinforce our own emotivistic prejudices".
    There is truth in that, Nosey. But not exactly, I think, in the way you intend.
     
  12. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    How is that a "scandal"? Even if true, which I doubt, what law, statute, regulation or order has been infringed?
    You know what's a real scandal? When the Clinton campaign hired a foreign spy firm to pay Russian spies to fabricate a dossier that was laundered through British intel to US agencies and used by the Obama administration to launch an FBI investigation of a political opponent. Now that's a scandal.
    And since the FBI Inspector General's report on that agency's rule in this gross abuse of power is due out any day now, I'm kinda inclined to question the timing, as well as the content, of this "whistleblower" story.
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...vide-most-damning-evidence-of-fisa-abuses-yet
    Want another scandal? How about when Biden bragged in public about threatening the Ukrainians if they didn't drop their investigation into his cokehead son. Funny how you didn't hear anything about that one before.
     
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  13. loranp

    loranp New commenter

    I'm a Brit, but reside in Massachusetts. Elizabeth is one of my senators and I hope to god that she wins the Dem nomination over Biden or bloody Bernie Sanders. I'd be ecstatic to see her in the WH. Not least because she has been a teacher and actually understands and values the profession!
     
  14. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    Whereabouts in MA? I'm from Medford.
    But I didn't know that the values of our profession include lying about your ethnicity on a job application to get preference over more qualified applicants.
     
  15. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    How is that a scandal? Surely not a serious question.

    Trump appears to have attempted to enlist the help of a foreign leader to help besmirch one of Trump's political opponents. How is that NOT a scandal?

    All the blustering in the world about Biden does not change the fact that Trump, yet again, proves himself unworthy of the office he holds.
     
  16. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    Totally serious question. And you couldn't answer it.
     
  17. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    I believe I did.

    Further, it appears that Trump threatened to withhold aid money if the Ukraine president did not help to besmirch Biden.

    If this does not register on your scandal-ometer, you do not have one.

    It appears that Nancy Pelosi agrees with me to the extent that she is implementing impeachment proceedings.

    Do you actually believe that this matter is just normal international politics at work?
     
  18. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Lead commenter

    I would refer readers of this thread to the very many articles detailing the historic connections between Trump, his cronies (past and present) and Russia, as well as the cyberwarfare that Russia undoubtedly engaged in to enhance Trump's prospects, though in posting links to articles on that aspect of the election, I am not suggesting that the Russian influence was decisive.

    Here just a small sample of what's out there:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...3903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

    https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...and_it_looks_a_lot_like.html?via=gdpr-consent

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/07/...tion-his-portrayal-of-financial-comeback.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...moscow-what-happened-at-miss-universe-in-2013

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/12/politics/russian-politician-us-election-intelligence/index.html

    https://www.us-cert.gov/GRIZZLY-STEPPE-Russian-Malicious-Cyber-Activity

    https://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/15/russias-greatest-weapon-may-be-its-hackers-328864.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tended-to-be-texans-and-texans-believed-them/

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ear-the-russian-group-hacking-the-us-election

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/17/russian-troll-factory-activists-protests-us-election

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter-election.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...facebook-twitter-investments-kushner-investor

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclu...slims-to-stir-chaos-on-facebook-and-instagram

    https://firstmonday.org/article/view/7090/5653

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social...nt-attack-during-key-election-moments-n827176

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-trolls-russia-donald-trump-bad-news-ap-investigation/

    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/manafort-had-60m-relationship-russian-oligarch-n810541

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ht-approval-from-putin-ally-deripaska/541677/

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...campaign-chair-misquotes-russian-media-makes/

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news/

    https://www.salon.com/2017/08/17/tr...hite-supremacists-russia-links-are-no-secret/

    https://www.newsweek.com/2017/05/05...r-vladimir-putin-russia-fbi-mafia-584962.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/jared-kushner-russians-security-clearance.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...pro-kremlin-views-1998-consulting-russia-ties

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9d4c84-c33b-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/micha...pushed-their-messages-in-days-before-election

    https://www.dcreport.org/wp-content...profitable-history-of-russian-connections.pdf
     
  19. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    No, you did not. No, he did not. Here, read the transcript. Find me a crime.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf
    And she isn't instituting "impeachment proceedings"; it's yet another inquiry. The Dems already have several of them on the go, all desperate to impeach Trump for the heinous crime of winning the 2016 election. Pelosi could have called for a formal vote. She didn't. Why? Because there was no crime and she knows it.
    BTW, why do you think a Ukrainian energy outfit was paying Hunter Biden $50,000 a week as a consultant when he has no background in energy? Why do you think the then Vice President bullied the Ukrainians into shutting down an investigation into that arrangement? It's all on video remember; I already showed you. And don't you think the presidents of Ukraine and the US are entirely within their rights to be concerned about corruption and abuse of power within the highest levels of government?
     
  20. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    That's a big long list of establishment media, Nosey but I think you miss some key points. 1. unless you think Robert Mueller lied, there was NO collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign and 2. in 2016 the US president was Barack Obama. You want to blame someone for this alleged mischief, shouldn't you blame him? 3. Countries, including this one, interfere in other country's politics all the time. I don't recall any Remainers griping when Call Me Dave got Obama to interfere with the Brexit referendum. Do you?
     
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