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European Elections May 23rd - Who would you vote for?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by cariadwch, Apr 9, 2019.

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Euro Election - Your vote

Poll closed May 21, 2019.
  1. UKIP

    33 vote(s)
    32.0%
  2. Conservative / DUP

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  3. Labour

    14 vote(s)
    13.6%
  4. Plaid Cymru / SNP

    6 vote(s)
    5.8%
  5. Lib Dem

    29 vote(s)
    28.2%
  6. Green

    5 vote(s)
    4.9%
  7. Renew / Independent

    3 vote(s)
    2.9%
  8. Would not vote / Boycott / Spoil Paper

    4 vote(s)
    3.9%
  9. Other

    8 vote(s)
    7.8%
  1. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    They cannot. I imagine that they simply hope that attracting more votes than any other party (as seems possible) can be spun as evidence that the British want to leave the EU now, with no deal, no more delays and no need for any more referendums.
     
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  2. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    I never claimed you had.
     
  3. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Thanks:)
     
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  4. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    You missed my point.

    As is clear, Lexus was condemning the childish attacks on people which has replaced intelligent debate. I don't have a problem with that comment. I was just applying the same comment to those who have 'childishly attacked' Greta Thunberg. No person was named. Not all comments have been 'childish attacks' - but many have been.
     
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  5. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Agreed... but both sides launch 'childish attacks' and expect their attack to be taken seriously while the other sides is dismissed as 'childish'. And of course I'm presenting it erroneously as two sides when really it's many sides and this whole binary black/white, good/bad paradigm is just really irritating me [personally ramble, don't worry Chelsea, not aimed at you]
     
  6. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Well as a result of a nice letter I've decided to vote Lib Dem in my local council election. Only the Lib Dems and UKIP have made any appreciable effort to get my vote but the LD turn up outside electoral season and seem to actually try and make changes and an impact. Had one leaflet from Labour. Nothing from the Tories.

    So... LD it is...
     
  7. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Must have been a hard choice for you.

    Between Tommy, Gerard and Carl's mob and the Lib Dems.
    I saw no criticism of the content of her speeches.
     
  8. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    In our local elections we've got a choice between Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat.

    So I have to vote tory because the candidate is the only one of the three who is honouring the EU referendum.

    If there is a European Parliament candidate election, I'm now leaning towards the Brexit party.

    And all I've every really wanted to do is vote Labour locally, nationally and in the European elections but 'Labour' isn't Labour anymore. Just like Manchester, London, Birmingham and Cambridge.

    I'll vote because I want to register my view. But having to vote tory because your party has been infiltrated by fascists is just awful.
     
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  9. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    See I'm not considering that in my decision... otherwise I'd have to give LD a wide berth. For the Euro election I will.

    But I get your point. A lot of people are clearly thinking about the situation in their decision.
     
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  10. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I know. It's a weird way to have to go about voting. I'd voted Labour in every local and general election since 1978 until 2016 when I feel the bottom fell out of what I always knew to be my socialist party. I'd really struggled with Blair but I think he was just the architect of what we now know as Labour. I can't relate to any of these people. I want proper Labour MPs who live in social housing and worked in factories. Proper working class socialists like myself but all we get now is the suited and booted tory clones who populate the Labour party.

    The tories are a nightmare but at least I know how bad they are. Labour are dangerous in an unpredictable way. Corbyn and McDonnell are the most insipid empty politicians I've ever encountered. They're so self-hating it shows.
     
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  11. nervousned

    nervousned Senior commenter

    So ignoring my point then. If the Brexit party get enough votes in the region Farage is standing in to get a MEP, then Farage will be that MEP as the first on the list. In that way people can vote to get Farage a seat.
     
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  12. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    Yes, it is region by region. But if UKIP and Brexit Party split the vote then neither gets the seats that a sole ukippy brexity party would have got.
     
  13. dleaf12

    dleaf12 Lead commenter

    Sadly that's also the case for Change/UK and the Lib Dems... split remain vote also. *sigh* would have been much nicer headlines otherwise.... :(
     
  14. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    Indeed I’m not optimistic that labour will stand on even an ambiguous confirmatory vote on any TM deal. The ayes still don’t have it. More can kicking yet to be done. Politically, being ambiguous annoys your Remain voters but doesn’t alienate your Brexit voters as much as being wholly Remain.
    Expect the October period to mirror the March period with heartstopping cliff edge votes leading to a can kicking for some kind of serious reason.
    It will be telling how much the NEC bring labour that bit more closer to confirmatory referendum territory.
     
  15. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Although PR is often held up as being more democratic and a better way of reflecting the share of the vote, a friend of mine who lives in a country which uses PR for its general elections says the opposite. If you have a representative who is useless, corrupt, whatever your reasons for not wanting that candidate, there is no way to vote them out if they happen to occupy the first or second place on the list. He says he'd prefer the uk style FPTP system where a candidate can be more easily voted out of office,

    A vote for any party is, in effect, a vote for the first candidate on the list of that party, in this case Farage. Even Florian knows that really.
     
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  16. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Not at all. Do you agree that in an EU election, people vote for a party list. Yes or no?

    No more so than it is a vote for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th person on that list.

    My point is that you cannot go into a polling booth and vote for an individual, as you can in a Westminster election. You can only vote for a party list. Even Florian knows that really.
     
  17. nervousned

    nervousned Senior commenter

    Since my point explicitly mentioned the party list I'm not sure why you need to ask me that question. Perhaps you didn't read it.

    The 1st is significantly different to the 2nd, 3rd, etc. You vote for a party, you are explicitly trying to get at least the first elected as a MEP. The second, third, etc can only come into play once there are enough votes to elect the first, second, etc.
     
  18. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    We need PR., that is true PR., not the pigs breakfast they dreamed up to bamboozle the electorate last time.
     
  19. nervousned

    nervousned Senior commenter

    I don't think it really matters. It is easy to count up the remain and no deal brexit votes. The number of MEPs each party gets is immaterial to any argument about future direction of Brexit as any elected MEPs will have little power to influence the result. It's the number and proportion of votes towards a particular type of outcome that will matter for political positioning and then only if the turnout is high enough.
     
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  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Also the turnout... if there is a surge in votes then it could show a lot of strong feeling. If turnout remains stable then it'd maybe show wider public apathy?
     
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