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“England’s schools face ‘severe’ teacher shortage...”

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Grandsire, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Up to GCSE level a good science teacher should be able to handle all three of the main sciences. There are teachers out there that are happy being adaptable to that sort of thing and enjoy it.
    phlogiston and hammie like this.
  2. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Supply teachers are still teachers. And there can be some pretty good ones there* that have been damaged by their perm jobs and are now doing supply so they can teach without the carp that comes with the job.

    *Admittedly there are some not so hot ones too.
    agathamorse likes this.
  3. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    spot on. the bit about being damaged by the demands of a perm job is particularly pertinent to the shortage of people willing and able to teach.
    agathamorse and Moony like this.
  4. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    It's so sad to read this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/apr/10/lesson-battle-why-teachers-lining-up-leave
    "Most cited workload as their number one reason. One primary teacher shared how she was forced to go into school during the holidays to supervise Sats revision. Another told how she sleeps for most of Saturday to recover from the hours she has put in during the week.

    One primary teacher confessed to barely seeing her two-year-old son, rushing to get him to bed on weekday evenings so she could get on with marking and planning for the next day."

    I think this is all totally unacceptable!
  5. SomethingWicked

    SomethingWicked Occasional commenter

    The only way a pay increase for shortage subject specialists would work is if the additional pay came directly from central government. Any expectation that schools should fork out more from their own budgets to pay for specialists would have a horrendous chilling effect on the education skills economy. The success of any initiative is entirely in the execution.
  6. ajrowing

    ajrowing Established commenter

    I guess I could teach Biology, but I haven't done any since I took my GCSEs more than 20 years ago, in the same way that I could teach History or Geography.
    David Getling likes this.
  7. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    I’ve taught biology, chemistry and physics to GCSE, I could probably do a good show on GCSE geography too with some scrubbing up on the human side of things.
    border_walker likes this.
  8. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Just write about AIDS and overpopulation; that covered me nicely for GCSE. Physical Georgraphy left me glacially cold.
  9. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    It’s a vicious circle.
    agathamorse likes this.
  10. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    I agree that this goes on. It’s some screwed up and cloaked form of discrimination and favouritism. For sure.
  11. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    They could also double as janitors, and clean the toilets. The point is that specialists often choose their specialty because they enjoy it. Teachers, like me, enjoy maths, chemistry and physics, but would hate teaching biology. So these days, if you have someone who is good at teaching their specialty, you should be very, very grateful and not upset them by asking them to teach something they don't like. But as we all know too well, SLT don't value the teaching staff, who do the real work.
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  12. ah3069

    ah3069 Occasional commenter

    In your own words David, delusion is those who, through hatred and prejudice, will not accept any facts they are uncomfortable with:p

    I work with amazing SLT, that is a fact, however, because you would not get your own way, you will not see this. Times are a changing.
  13. FormosaRed

    FormosaRed Occasional commenter

    This is unrealistic in the current climate. We have been told that we can be expected to be asked to teach anything outside of our specialism because of the amount of debt the school is in and the recruitment crisis. Some excellent specialist teachers I know are teaching three different subjects this year and working in up to 17 different rooms. It is going to be a tough year.
    agathamorse likes this.
  14. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Don’t be ridiculous David. I said they should be able to, not that they have to. If you are teaching science in schools you need to have a good grounding in the core curriculum even outside your specialism. Science graduates will have started specialising in the sciences at A-level and at degree level there is enough overlap in disciplines to give teachers some flexibility. Granted, you might not like teaching some parts of science, and I never said you should like it, but I don’t think it’s wrong to expect teachers to have enough subject knowledge to cope with GCSE level teaching.

    When teaching science to kids as important as the specific subject knowledge is it’s also important to teach them how to be good scientists and have a questioning mind. Maybe that slightly holistic approach is a little too far out of your comfort zone, who knows. What I do know, and find amusing when some people get really hung up on it, is that teaching outside of your degree specialism in the sciences isn’t the end of the world. My teaching is outside of my specialism for the vast majority of delivering the curriculum as my degree is in geology. Now no doubt you are going to be offended by that as i’m ‘not a specialist’ in the main ones taught at GCSE. However as that subject pulls in different things from a whole host of different fields it gives me a great grounding to see the cross overs in the GCSE curriculum and come at things from a different angle.
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  15. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    I harvested my sloes yesterday.o_O
  16. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Bit early isn't it? Or do you do what Mrs Blazer does and give them a couple of days in the freezer before adding them to the gin?
  17. David Getling

    David Getling Lead commenter

    The replies of FormosaRed and Moony very clearly illustrate the blinkered attitude that has contributed to the teacher shortage. Beggars can't be choosers! You DON'T upset your STEM superstars, because there are plenty in private industry who will be only too happy to give them a better paid job where they will be highly valued.
  18. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    If I had left it any later, I suspect someone else would have had the sloes - there were several denuded blackthorns adjacent. In addition, once the term gets underway, sloes cease to be a concern. They are now sitting in the freezer awaiting the purchase of gin!
    Catgirl1964 and agathamorse like this.
  19. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    So I say things that you don’t like and you resort to ignoring my points. I’m not the blinkered one here. You are ignoring that there are benefits to multidisciplinary science teaching.
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