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Emplotability difference between a Level 5 DET and PGCE (Post-Compulsory)

Discussion in 'Further Education' started by HABowyer, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. HABowyer

    HABowyer New commenter

    Hello,

    I am planning on doing a teaching qualification this year, either a PGCE Post Compulsory or a (pre-service) Level 5 Diploma in Education and Training (DET).

    I know this differences between them, but wanted to ask the following:

    1) Does it make any difference in being an attractive lecturer? e.g. if you were applying for a College job, would they prefer to employ someone with a PGCE over the DET, or not? I only have limited funds and would prefer to do the DET as its significantly cheaper, however I don't want to take the DET and then find out that employers prefer the PGCE.

    2) Further to the above, why do people take the PGCE Post-compularoy over the Pre-service Level 5 DET? I can't seem to find much reasoning, especially seeing that one is cheaper than the other. Is it just a preference to get a postgraduate qualification?

    Many thanks.
     
  2. blueskiesmev

    blueskiesmev New commenter

    Hello,

    Employers don't mind about the qualification as long as you have one. By gaining the qualification you have demonstrated your commitment to the career and shown you have the knowledge to do the job.

    Second, as far as I'm aware there is no difference between the two. The below is from the Society of Education and Training's website which equates the two.
    • Level 5 Diploma in Education and Training (also called PGCE or CertEd) (120 credits)
    https://set.et-foundation.co.uk/professionalism/fe-teaching-and-training/teaching-qualifications/

    Maybe people do the PGCE Post Compulsory as they are more used to the term and assume it is worth more.

    It seems to be universities that deliver PGCE Post Compulsoru and it may be they have to use the term for awarding purposes.

    If I was you I would do DET as it is cheaper. If you do it by distance learning it is even cheaper!

    Do you currently have a position of are you able to get one prior to starting your training?

    Good luck with your training!
     
  3. HABowyer

    HABowyer New commenter

    Hi blueskiesmev,

    I don't have a teaching position at the moment, so I would need to do something that's pre-service.

    I read on a couple of forums that sixth-form colleges prefer the PGCE post-compulsory. Primarily I would prefer to work in an FE College, but if there is no availability within distance of where I live I will need to make sure that my qualifications are transferable to sixth-form colleges.

    Thanks,

    H
     
  4. TuckBoom

    TuckBoom New commenter

    The main difference is the level of study, DET is L5 and doesn't require a degree, PGCE is level 6 with sometimes level 7 credits and you require a degree. I work in a college and we would treat PGCE and DET as the same.
     
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  5. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    Are these qualifications paid the same? I have heard that trainee teachers- DET are earning 30 pounds per hour. I have a PGCE, degree and masters and am not earning that much
     
  6. HABowyer

    HABowyer New commenter

    Yes, thanks for your replies, I am aware of the differences between the two.

    My question was more - why would you bother doing the PGCE (post-comp) at a higher cost (around £6k) than the DET (around £3k-4k) if the DET gives you equal/same employability as the PGCE? There must be more of a difference, otherwise everyone with a degree would do the cheaper DET, but not many people appear to!
     
  7. HABowyer

    HABowyer New commenter

     
  8. HABowyer

    HABowyer New commenter

    I see what you say about familiarity. But, the DET is nationally recognised, and has been known for years under its alternative name of DTTLS.

    There might be no answer to the question I am searching for apart from that the DET/DTTLs allows for access for those without a degree, and if anyone is bright enough to do this course instead of the PGCE they will save money.
     
  9. triciagail

    triciagail New commenter

    I opted for the DET mainly because of the cost and time. I found a college near me that offers it full-time with classes only one day per week. You are however responsible for finding your own placement.
    Similar to you I am also concerned about employment, but not because of the qualification. Most adverts I've seen require any post 16 qualification, they do however require at least one year experience teaching. That's the problem for me I don't have the experience.
     
  10. omega-squared

    omega-squared New commenter

    I did my DET this year with Cornwall College, and attended PGCE/CertEd classes to help me with my modules.

    In my case, it appeared to be less stressful than the PGCE/CertEd, probably because I was doing my DET through the college rather than tied to a university. The teaching and portfolio requirements are about the same I think, but the assignments are much more broken down and I found that once I had the assignment checklists it was easy to systematically address the points and write a bit about each one. This is in contrast to the more open-ended essays people on the PGCE course had to write. The only downside to it was that I had to do 7 modules instead of 4 (as I was made to do numeracy specialist units) but that was more my personal situation.

    The reason I did a DET instead of a PGCE was because I already have a Master's degree and so having another Level 7 qualification wouldn't add anything, plus it also entitled me to one of those maths teacher training bursaries :p

    In terms of teaching in FE, it doesn't matter if you have a DET or a PGCE - I have been successfully offered a job on that basis and so it doesn't disadvantage you in any way having a DET rather than a PGCE. It worked out much better for me in the end.
     
  11. Message for Tricia Gill - I'm considering this option and wondered which training provider you went with and how you got the Maths bursary? Thank you Kath
     

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