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Emily Maitlis on Newsnight

Discussion in 'Personal' started by WB, Apr 9, 2020.

  1. WB

    WB Senior commenter

    A superb piece of insightful journalism.

     
  2. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    While I agree with bits of what she said [although the word 'fight' has triggered so many among the Guardian reading crowd] that was an opinion piece...

    And a 'social settlement'? Society will naturally continue to evolve as it always has... always beware of people wanting impose their 'social settlement' on society for the benefit of their pet peeves.
     
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  3. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I just see the usual middle class attitude: out of sight, out of mind.

    Emily doesn't convince me. She the epitome of the BBC middle class, socialist voting hypocrite.

    What I hope for is the closing down of second homes in the countryside. Legally, this is impossible, but morally, it is a major concern when people are living in bedsits in concrete tower blocks.

    What have the poor got to lose other than their lives.

    I'm not suggesting breaking the law, but I wouldn't be overly concerned if local people shunned the owners of second homes in the countryside.

    The greedy want everything.

    Smash them down now and never return to any occupation where you are invisible.

    Remember, it's more noble and character building to struggle than to give in and start cleaning these peoples homes.

    As has been noted on here before, there are probably only about four or five posters on here who have lived or live that dire poverty with no way out.

    This is our one chance to rise up and refuse to return to the work we have had.

    Emily might lose her cleaner, but so will loads of other middle class socialists.

    Let's show them what socialism really means. Pain for them.
     
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  4. DrLinus

    DrLinus Established commenter

    Excellent charts.
    Surprising to see London has the lowest number of patients in critical care but Northern Ireland is in real trouble.

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  5. WB

    WB Senior commenter

    If that's how she felt I don't see how see could have said this.

    I see reverse snobbery in your post. She's middle class therefore whatever she says you will find a way of using class to dismiss it.
     
  6. WB

    WB Senior commenter

    Have you confused the two shades of orange?
     
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  7. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    I was a cleaner once (needs must), so was my mother at one point, so was the wife of one of my uni lecturers to ironically pay private school fees, however and it's a big one... mother and I both had aspirations to not remain cleaners... we did not continue doing it all our lives bemoaning our lot and blaming others, it took time but with dedication she/we changed her/our family's lives, dad remained a skilled manual worker till he passed away. Had we continued and bemoaned we would no doubt still be doing both several decades later. Its just my experience but worth a thought nevertheless. NB - always have respect for those who's jobs you cannot or do not want to do and pay them a fair days pay for a fair days work, help them if they are capable and aspirational if you possibly can, it's a simple premise but makes all the difference.

    I am mindful of my primary teacher's parting words "make the most of all your opportunities"... she made a difference and I tried.
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2020
  8. DrLinus

    DrLinus Established commenter

    Without accompanying explanation it is difficult to do otherwise.

    Don't get me started on Wales and the North East & Yorkshire.
     
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  9. WB

    WB Senior commenter

    They really could pick better colours.
     
  10. DrLinus

    DrLinus Established commenter

    Undoubtedly. Better yet had they textured some of the ogives and ditched that ridiculous variegated purple background.
     
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  11. DrLinus

    DrLinus Established commenter

    I am still watching the episode but I've been convinced for a long time that we need more public control in our allegedly mixed economy.
     
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  12. vannie

    vannie Star commenter

    Yes my Mum was a cleaner too. She raised two kids alone, got no child maintenance as father worked offshore ... she was so busy putting food on the table and going without herself that she didn’t have time to be aspirational. She never moaned, it was just the way things were. Clearly her own fault then. She kind of blamed my father for dropping us in the clag too. Yet another character flaw.
     
  13. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    I'm afraid I've crossed a woman of my acquaintance off my friend list. She has a cleaner once a week and pays the going rate. Since lockdown she has told the woman not to come to the house and is not paying her!
    I can't believe it! She is far from short of money and yet won't pay the cleaner because she's not doing the cleaning! When I commented on how difficult it must be for cleaners if everyone etc etc, she called me (ME!!!) a bleeding heart!
     
  14. DrLinus

    DrLinus Established commenter

    Have you offered to pay the cleaner a regular stipend to make up for her drop in wages during this crisis?
     
  15. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    Unpaid bills & unfed kids might suggest the opposite.
     
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  16. Grandsire

    Grandsire Star commenter

    I wonder whether, when this is all over, we will continue to value the people in lower-paid careers that are keeping our country going, and what it would take to pay them decent wages.

    Imagine the difference it would make in education to not have to push everyone towards an academic outcome, but to celebrate the skills that make someone an excellent carer or cleaner, or a dab-hand at logistics, and to reward them with decent pay and conditions, and respect for what they do.

    Schools could become really fulfilling places for students (and teachers) if we accepted the fact that these jobs are just as important to making society work, and people knew that choosing to do them wasn't going to end in poverty.
     
  17. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    Agree.
     
  18. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    No. Nor am I paying any member of the population a weekly benefit. Are you?
    As cheap point-scoring goes, that was a bit lame even by your standards.

    Everyone knows what's going on with you, so stop following me round trying to find things to beef at. I can assure you I'll give you no reason to report me for the 8th time.
     
  19. Jamvic

    Jamvic Star commenter

    Why on Earth didn’t she use the furlough scheme?
     
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  20. DrLinus

    DrLinus Established commenter

    I think this is the core, if not only element people think of when they hear the phrase "social settlement".
    Regrettably, sector-wide wage rises would lead to inflation for us all.
     

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