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EIS: 10% Pay Claim for 2018

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by Liviboy, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. subman68

    subman68 Occasional commenter

    Halfajack I totally agree with what you just said, the only flaw is that we live in a crazy education world where we are putting all the pressure on teachers. Some smart A*s politician will think if teachers had more prep time (we are asking for it) then attainment would be raised, lets do a week in the summer.

    The SG is putting pressure on all teachers to "close the gap" at the same time they are cutting budgets. They are wanting teachers to solve the problems of society. We all know that this is not the answer. We know it is a lot deeper and that education (or the 3x50min I spend with your child) is just a very small part of it.

    Why would we be asked to work more? Because politicians will gain public (voter) support.
  2. Liviboy

    Liviboy Occasional commenter

  3. Marco82

    Marco82 Established commenter

    The newspapers and tv are ramping up the propaganda by claiming that NHS staff are being offered "6.5%" which will sound good to the average punter. But that's all to cover the fact that it is over three years and involves giving up a day's holiday and agreeing to changes in conditions. And three percent this year is simply what is needed to keep pace with inflation. I bet nurses will go for it though for their leaders will sell this as a good deal, the best they can get under the circumstances. If we get anything at all, it'll be about the same which means the massive cut we have sustained will simply become embedded, taken as the new norm. The unions will huff and puff and mount a campaign of verbal opposition, maybe even threaten a ballot on action, but they know the wind will be taken out of the sails of those of us who want a struggle. Then they will say while it is not what they wanted, it lays the foundations for a proper campaign next year when they will argue for a "restorative" award. You know what, it must be great to be a union leader getting a great wage and pension and never having to do anything but make the odd speech and write the odd article in which you pretend to defend your members interests. Easy stuff!
  4. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Lead commenter

    Bottom line is that if teachers aren't being paid what they should be ("fairly"?) then the quality of teachers - and teaching - will go down. Pupils won't learn. A few years from now the quality of the workforce will go down. Inward investors, and, indeed local investors, will notice this and take their investments elsewhere - to where there's a skilled, educated labour market. The country's GDP will go down, there will be less cash in the collective pot and the cycle will continue.

    Sure, we will have gender equality, women will have pay parity and all sorts of discrimination will be eliminated. However, we will also be so p*ss-poor that we won't even notice or care.
  5. MilkyBar Kid

    MilkyBar Kid Occasional commenter

    Not so sure about this, the EIS leadership know that this campaign will be the last as far as thousands of members are concerned. If we only get 3 or 4% with all the hot air and "10 reasons for 10%" then hoards of current EIS members will see no point in being part of a union and simply vote with their wallet, walk away, and use if for industrial insurance at half the price. Deep down I think the EIS management know that when it comes to the crunch most teachers will simply roll over and take whatever is offered. They are working out how to get through this with the least amount of egg on their faces.
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  6. Marisha

    Marisha Occasional commenter

    My worry would be that the EIS will just roll over again and sacrifice conditions of service for an short-lived pay-rise.

    It won't have an effect on me - I'm going in the summertime.
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  7. beharder

    beharder Occasional commenter

    lucky you
    I was thinking about going but am staying for the fight. Looking forward to giving out some stick to the strikebreakers councillors education bosses Cosla anybody really.
    Bring it on
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  8. Marisha

    Marisha Occasional commenter

    I've no fight left. I'm on winding down for family reasons and I've had the usual nonsense - being expected to do five days work in four. I've been trying not to, but I'm in middle-management, and it's hard to let down others. Apparently it would be 'very difficult' for a three-day contract to be arranged for next year. I'm worn out. So, I'm going.

    I'll possibly do a little bit of supply.

    Anyway, good luck to those that remain.
  9. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    I see that the next meeting for a SNCT meeting is now at the end of May. So is there any movement on a settlement or are we just going to wait and wait?
  10. Liviboy

    Liviboy Occasional commenter

    Hi CM,

    COSLA meet on the 23rd March to discuss our claim...it’s at that point they will either:

    Accept 10% (hahahaha!!!!)
    Outright Reject (unlikely)
    Table the SG offer of 2% or 3% depending on Salary (most likely)
    Make counter offer of 4% over 2 years linked to some reduction of conditions (probable)

    Unions will then reject that and so it will go on until we actually down tools!
    Effinbankers, bigjimmy2 and catmother like this.
  11. OwerAuld

    OwerAuld Occasional commenter

    The good old divide and conquer, it has worked in the past, good chance it would work again.

    Wouldn't be surprised to find they had a few more such tricks up their sleeves.
  12. Marco82

    Marco82 Established commenter

    Has anyone read the report in today's Herald about the decline in subject specialists? I see English is down by 20 percent since 2008, Maths by 15 and German by 44! It talk s about increasing bureaucracy as a reason for people leaving and I was wondering how many of you are facing a new insidious demand we have to deal with, which is providing material on line for Homework. - ha, ha, - or for pupils who are absent for one season or another. We have this system which we are now expected to use all the time for such Purposes which means We are now effectively distance learning teachers as well. No consideration is given to how much time is involved in creating and distributing such material, we are told to just "pop it on"! Add this to Homework and revision clubs and the pressure is being ramped up all the time. Is anyone else expected to use a system like that?
  13. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    It will be interesting to see if tools are actually put down.
  14. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Lead commenter

    Homework isn't compulsory.

    It might be school and/or council policy but you don't have to issue homework.

    Similar with homework and revision clubs.
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  15. bigjimmy2

    bigjimmy2 Lead commenter

    Good for you, I hope you enjoy your retirement or new job or whatever is is!
    Marisha likes this.
  16. Effinbankers

    Effinbankers Lead commenter

    Online homework - If time has not been agreed for this in your WTA then tell them to shove it

    Homework clubs and supported study? Don't do them! You don't get mechanics fixing your car for nowt. It is a free service for the middle classes.

    We all moan and groan about workload, yet some of us seem to be happy to do unpaid labour. And lots of it.
  17. heldon

    heldon Occasional commenter

    I have had enough as well, especially over the last 5 years. Will be 56 and yes I am in a shortage subject area. Lack of training, support at all levels and quality resources mean I have had enough. Fortunately been quite frugal and been saving like mad ,also won't take pension untiI'm 58 or 59, or maybe even 60 if I live off lentils. Won't be rich but I'll be free and hopefully my mental health will improve. Good luck with the campaign but I fear things are not as they were when I started in the mid 80's.
  18. Marco82

    Marco82 Established commenter

    Effin, we don't always agree but I wish you were in my department where I feel like the last man standing when I see colleagues - especially young ones - work themselves mad in an attempt to curry favour with management. They set a bad standard, accept every diktat and were seemingly born without a backbone. Am totally sick of having to do ever more as wages are chipped away. Am also sick of thinking about the collapse is wages and not been able to do anything about it. Time to fight or else chuck it I think.
  19. Marco82

    Marco82 Established commenter

    You're right about the mechanic point too which also applies to for instance dentists who would never dream of treating a patient without payment. Yet we like to see ourselves as having the same "professional" standing!
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  20. beharder

    beharder Occasional commenter

    homework clubs , revision clubs , homework on line **** off. All goodwill has well and truly evaporated. 35hrs a week no more no less. Like others though im concerned by the lack of backbone shown by the growing band of look at me young teachers who appear to lap up any sh**e SLT come up with.

    Back on topic Iain Gray Labours education boy stated today he is 100% behind the 10%
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