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East Renfrewshire 'delays' CfE exams

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by GuessWho, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. GuessWho

    GuessWho Occasional commenter

    NLC have already forced all schools to change to Nationals for current S2.
    No debate or canvassing of individual schools' views.

    If a department even suggests to run Int 1 or Int 2 (which will still be available for a few more years) for current S2 the HT will warn them off and if it gets past HT level the authority will provide "support" for nationals......but no extra funds to sort out resources.
    Meanwhile we have all the materials in place for Int 1 and Int 2 and none for the Nationals.....
  2. braemar

    braemar New commenter

    I was told that one NLC school is still doing standard grades courses for their S2's so that they can be presented for the final standard grade exams in S3. The S1's will be the first CfE cohort one year behind everyone else. So it seems not all schools in NLC are doing CfE courses with their S2's
    I wonder if the ER decision is something to do with the amount of preparation the authority has done in training their staff for CfE considering they spent a lot of time changing over from Standard Grades to Intermediates not that long ago.

  3. No, the ER decision is to do with the fact that the Nationals are sh*te.
  4. At the moment, CfE at Secondary level reminds me of "The Emperor's new clothes"!
  5. Is it any different at Primary?
  6. morrisseyritual

    morrisseyritual Occasional commenter

    East Ren - and correct me if I'm wrong - have built several good school reputations on setting of classes, streaming pupils - and everything that CfE was designed to combat.

    The issue with CfE is not that it is an unsound system - in locations where it has been introduced it increased attainment, enouraged adolescent talents that many would have waited on leaving to pursue (especially arts and crafts)

    Its implementation has been piecemeal at best.

    CfE has been badly introduced by our political masters.

    Badly designed in terms of CPD - all is an afterthought after having these whacking great tomes dumped on us.
    In the way the strikes brought teachers together in conflict - and I supported the strikes - CFE could have united us in symposia, a programme of prescribed CPD that could have been a really nice period in Scottish educational history. What a botched, fudged mess it has become.

    We could have replaced our jaded, reactionary system with Socratean egalitarian education - instead we suffocated it in the cradle.

  7. In princple there is much that is laudible in CfE, sadly like many a good educational intiative it has been rushed into place too soon, underfunded, underresourced and often misunderstood.
    With consumate skill the politicians and bureaucrats have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. That said, I worry far less about CfE than I do about National 4s and 5s. I think they are more likley to be at sixes and sevens - course completed!
    A delay would be be prudent and give the children who will be the inevitable guinea pigs a fighting chance.
  8. Where's the evidence?
  9. I don't think Morrisey's statement was misleading. He can be very vague - sorry Moz - and his arguments can be a bit back to front. Plus he often relies on board posters to have followed his themes on other threads. On other threads, he's stated that he agrees in principle to the CfE scheme because he saw it work in schools in Australia. He is highly critical when government becomes involved. The Queensland local government turned it into a kind of right wing hobby horse and the Scottish government just told schools to do it rather than easing it in. I think that's what Moz is driving at.

  10. It may be what he's driving at but he did make a clear statement about CfE raising attainment. There's a distinct lack of evidence behind many new initiatives in education and I would have welcomed something which shows a successful approach to CfE, if only so that I could steal ideas. The two of you are acting as if it's unreasonable of me to ask him to justify what he said. It's not an attack - as I said, I'd welcome a bit more concrete information!
  11. jonowen

    jonowen Occasional commenter

    Airy, Morrisey said this rasing attainment was in Australia in tiny schools (I don't like his comparison to Orkney schools, but maybe he was a teacher across the Pentland Firth at one time so knows what he is talking about.................) so I don't really see what that has to do with us. However, I do agree with you that some definitive facts and/or results would be interesting.
    What a pity our "powers that be" didn't pick on Finland as a good example when they did their "een-ee-meen-ee-minee-mo" with other countries! There is such a lack of planning, thinking and common sense in so much of Scottish education nowadays, it is just like Russian roulette with children's lives and futures.
  12. I know - it seems irrelevant to what's going on here which is why I wondered why he was so emphatic in his original statement. No matter. I can see you all think I'm being hideously overbearing in pushing the point so I shall retreat graciously and apologise if I've offended anyone. [​IMG]
  13. lookinglost

    lookinglost New commenter

    How much do you know about the Finnish system?

  14. Agreed. More here:
  15. Freddie92

    Freddie92 Occasional commenter

    There are many strange things Finland does different compared to the UK or the USA but the key I believe is in one throwaway line where it is revealed that the pupil to teacher ratio is 7:1.
  16. lookinglost

    lookinglost New commenter

    I don't think the ratio is the biggest reason(there's a very interesting debate about how big an effect it has on student's learning) , I think other things have a bigger influence:
    Starting pupils at age 7. No private schools. Teaching staff with a minimum of a Master degree, who are paid an excellent rate. A real drive to make education a 'big deal' in the country. No streaming or setting just additional support in class from specialised teachers and other pupils. Two types of High School specialising in vocational or academic study. Fewer hours spent in class by pupils. Learning additional language compulsory from an early age(Gaelic Schools' results ). I personally feel these have a bigger infulunce on pupils results than teacher ratio. There also seems to be less of a debate(Gaelic schools and funding excluded) about their affects on pupil attainment than that of teacher to pupil ratio(I do think smaller class sizes improve pupil learning).

    No national exams set for pupils in their final year of compulsory schooling, each school develops their own(National 4?). Teacher's view on pupil's level is key. A different exam system to our current one when they are in upper secondary school. Expectation of schools and their professionals to come up with and develop their own curriculum, no guidance given from government(Hints of CfE?).

    There's obviously more, but these are the things that stood out to me. The one that really stands out to me is high paid Master level qualified teachers. It shows a high regard for the profession and I think that has massive results.

  17. Freddie92

    Freddie92 Occasional commenter

    I agree there are more points than just the pupil to teacher ratio, but I can only speak from experience and state that if I have a smaller class then I have more time to bring on the less able. No-one can work miracles. Now here's a thing. When referring to Masters... are they talking about a Masters in Education or in their subject? I have a Masters in my subject and have started some of the CT stuff. I really don't want to do another Masters as I think I have done my fair share of studying, though I am willing to learn new things - I have to - but my time for writing dissertations are over. Perhaps I should just focus on the PT route. In an ideal world it would be great to have no private schools (or public schools as we bizarrely call them!) but we have them and that will never change. Interesting about leaving the pupil's level to the Teacher, or our professional judgement. And finally, I am all for learning another language at a young age but not Gaelic. Let it die. It serves no purpose except for people who have it in their heritage, which is fair enough. Get kids to learn Spanish or Mandarin. That is the future. Gaelic is the past and should be put to bed with the SNP view of Scotland as Brigadoon, Burns and Braveheart. No thank you sir. Give me motorways, high speed rail and broadband at speeds of 1GB per second. Oh and please can we have a few skyscrapers also?

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