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don't want to return back to work (ever!)

Discussion in 'NQTs and new teachers' started by anon1369, Mar 25, 2012.

  1. This week the head casually announced that my job will be getting advertised and I can apply if I really want (but basically I won't get it). This came as a complete shock and he just announced it in passing in the middle of the day and I was in such a state I couldn't teach the rest of my lessons (I just couldn't get my act together). Not even my HOD was aware of the situation, I had to tell them myself.
    I feel this situation has been very badly handled and will be seeking help from my union. At no point was a reason given as to why this was happening.
    This has left me in a position where I don't want to return to the school at all. Luckily there is only 1 week left to half term but when we return I have still got a whole term stuck in a school where I am not wanted and no longer feel likw a valued member of staff.
    I work my **** off, I am always the first in school (even before the head) and often one of the last to leave. I am finding this year very tough, but doesn't everyone? My head was acting like I am the only person that has found it difficult.
    How can I survive the rest of the year in this horrid situation? To make matters worse I have a very long commute so dragging myself out of bed at ridiculous o'clock is going to be torture. The atmosphere in my department is horrible since this has happened because no-one had any idea about it and they are all shocked too.
    All advice appreciated.
  2. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    So is your contract fixed term?
    Were there any events that lead up to this - observations, NQT criteria, disgruntled students...?
  3. No my contract is permanent, which is why I am getting the union involved.
    I have had 4 observations - 2 satisfactory and 2 inadequate.The latest observation was inadequate due to following advice from a senior member of staff which went against my original plans but it was obviously my fault because I should have put my foot down and insisted on doing it my way and not the senior staff members way.
    Some students have complained about the progress of the class but my HOD has spent time in my room on various occasions and found their complaints to be unjustified.
  4. mickymilan

    mickymilan New commenter

    sounds strange to me. get the union on to the twarts
  5. GloriaSunshine

    GloriaSunshine New commenter

    This sounds really odd. A headteacher would've advertise your job without either firing you or failing you. If you were at risk of failing, you would know about it. It really sounds as if your post was fixed term for a year. Are you absolutely sure it wasn't? It wouldn't be the first time that a school hasn't mentioned it and someone notices it on their contract. I would check your contract carefully.
  6. I'm 100% certain it was permanent as the first contract they sent me was a one year contract and I rang them up and in the end they sent me a new contract saying it was permanent. I will be showing my contract to a union rep so they can scrutinise it.
    I have a feeling that the head has either forgotten that my contract was permanent or doesn't care anyway as I am not the only NQT to have been told their job is being advertised.
  7. GloriaSunshine

    GloriaSunshine New commenter

    From what you say, it could be that the head is under the impression that your contract is fixed term. Presumably, the LA sent you a permanent contract? Schools should only use fixed term contracts when there is a good reason (temporary funding, falling numbers, teacher on secondment), not to try out NQTs but, of course, some bend the rules. You definitely need some union advice and also a conversation with your mentor and HoD about your NQT progress. If you are not meeting standards, you should know what you have to do and how the school will support you. If you are making satisfactory progress and on track to pass, your permanent post should be secure.
  8. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    Union involvement a.s.ap. Is there a rep at the school that you can rely on? You can go straight to Regional Office for assistance.
    You could also conatct HR at the LA and get them to confirm to you thta you do indeed have a permanent contract. then ask them if the Head is allowed to re-advertise the post when you haven't resigned and had no intention of doing so!
  9. The LA should be involved as you said in another thread you were told back in December that you are failing. Thus, a term further down the line the Head doesn't feel you have made sufficient progress against the standards to pass. Ring your union asap- if they are going to fail you come July you need to know now so you can look at your options. Every day is important in this situation
  10. GloriaSunshine

    GloriaSunshine New commenter

    Ah, if it's the case that you were failing in December, the head's action makes more sense. She should have talked to you about your options first but, in this case, your priority is to pass induction or negotiate a release that leaves you able to complete it in another school. Definitely get on to union tomorrow. I would get contact your regional office even if you talk to school rep. If you trust your school rep, ensure he or she is with you if you meet the head. If you don't want that, take someone you do trust or arrange regional rep to come into school.
  11. Thanks for all the replies. I will be speaking to the union rep tomorrow so hopefully things will look clearer. Yes in december they said I wasn't making progress towards the standards and I would recieve extra support. However since december I have only been observed once and hit everything necessary for a satisfactory grade but as the lesson was not challenging enough they gave me an inadequate (this is at the fault of a senior member of staff who told me to scrap the more challenging work I had originally planned to do).
    All my lesson observations seem to focus on the ofsted criteria and instead of being told which core standards I am/am not meeting they just give me feedback according to ofsted. The latest observation included verbal feedback and the observer (who teaches a different subject) telling me what they would have done. Personally I feel I am making progress towards the standards, my lessons may not be perfect but surely I must be hitting the core standards?!
    When I was informed about my job being advertised there was no discussion, just a matter of fact statement that my job will be getting advertised.
  12. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Not true. Not one little tiny bit. A permanent contract is what it says on the tin and there is no 'probation' for NQTs.
    If you are fail NQT or are dismissed, that's a different issue - but until this happens, your post cannot be advertised. That the head is telling you you can apply for it suggests extremely strongly that he thinks it is a fixed-term contract.
    You need to pass him a copy of it.
  13. Thanks for all the extra replies, sorry I haven't been on for a couple of days. My union rep and the regional rep have got involved and things are a little bit clearer but it is not good news in the slightest.The head definitely knows it is a permanent contract by the way.
    I have had another observation by the professional mentor and gained a satisfactory but was informed that they are still going to put me down as 'failing'. The head has said that he thinks it is highly unlikely that I will pass the year (despite never being in an observation) although my HOD thinks that I would pass.
    I have been given 2 options, I can remain in the school for the next term and 'try to pass' but doing this would only be an option if I agreed to resign. Or I can negotiate an early release.
    I am fuming with the school, the union has said that they have handled the whole situation badly. I haven't been given any written feedback from observations with the professional mentor and I haven't been told which standards I am not meeting. To be honest it seems like they just want me out, for reasons I don't fully understand. They have totally destroyed my confidence and work is a very horrible place to be right now and I don't want to be around any of the people involved in this decision.
    I have also found out that this decision was made whilst I was absent and before I had been observed so it looks like it was a very carefully thought out plan which doesn't consider my feelings at all.
  14. Oh CrazyChemist, it sounds like you need a hug!!

    Don't have any advice I'm afraid, but when I was told before Feb half term that I was apparently 'not on track to pass', I took the decision into my own hands and handed my notice in - I'm leaving the school on Friday.

    Obviously it's our final terms that count, and my HOD has said that whilst my teaching/planning/assessment etc is all great, if I don't manage to get behaviour in all my groups to a satisfactory level then I will fail anyway. Which, considering almost 50% of my timetable is bottom set groups with challenging pupils, I would say is quite a big ask!

    I was observed last week and was told that the lesson was 'more than satisfactory', but it seems they've based my assessment on the observations they did of me with my bottom set Y9s which were both inadequate.

    Anyway, I've already had 2 interviews and have another on Friday, so clearly schools aren't being put off by the situation - good luck with whatever you decide to do!!
  15. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    That is absolutely disgusting. Have you spoken to your union about this? If you are satisfactory then you are satisfactory and failing you on it means you arn't! Get out of there, you can finish your induction somwhere else!!! I'd strongly suggest you look for a part time position (if possible) to finish your induction on, you'll have one term left and if you did it part time you'd still only do the equivalent of a full term academically but you'd have longer to do it over in actual days. I'd also think about letting ofsted know about this, part of what ofsted do when inspecting is to ask NQT's about their induction process.
  16. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    One satisfactory observation doesn't mean everything has turned around (and yes, I have been in exactly the same situation). I expect the euphemism would be "sustained improvement" - one observation alone does not show a pattern of improvement. No doubt the mentor wants to see that happening with more than one class.
    In my case the criticisms got increasingly bizarre, e.g. "behind his desk too much" - the 20ft wide desk with the whiteboard behind it! It can be worth getting out since you're effectively pushing against the tide - a difficult task, particularly with multiple groups. A fresh start with know what to do right in the back of your mind will be far more beneficial.

  17. Oh my God, CrazyChemist,
    Are you sure you and I are not at the same school because everything you are experiencing is being done to me right now. And I mean everything and more.
    Got a job interview for tomorrow at another school. Trying really hard to make sure I can get this so I can go there for my third term after Easter.
    If any of you are reading this and are a history specialist please pm me because I am going to need some help to put together a short lesson. My confidence has suffered a serious hit.

  18. rainbow_gold

    rainbow_gold New commenter

    Are you compiling evidence against the standards? If not, do it now! You need to have solid proof that you are meeting the core standards in order for you to argue that you are making satisfactory progress. What we think of our own teaching is irrelevant, its what the observers think that counts. Request more observations, I know it's an **** but they are the best way for you to show you ARE a good teacher! Observe other teachers and NQTs and see what they are doing and how you can improve. I know it feels hopeless but you need to be a bit tougher about this, so they want you out - who cares?! All you want from them is a complete NQT year and a decent reference, and by the sounds of it you are going to have to work to get those, but it will be worth it in the end!! Start looking for a lovely new job now, if you manage to secure something soon it will make your last term feel easier and the situation will seem less hopeless. x
  19. I would contact both the union and the LA specifically about this because no matter how I look at this this cannot be legal. How on earth can they say that you "can remain" at the school when you are on a permanent contract?! As Middlemarch says, a permanent contract is a permanent contract and you are in your right to remain there as long as you want (until and if they have actually failed you). What are they thinking, getting you to resign, and then putting it as if they were doing you a favour?!
    As for the NQT year I kind of agree with the poster who says you need to be tougher about it. You have just got a satisfactory and you have a whole term to go. They can fail you but they will have to prove that they supported you to a high degree and standard, warned you sufficiently, gave you CPD and training, that your mentor did their job well.....
    In fact I think in this situation I'd mention it to the head that maybe I'd consider resigning, even an early release after I passed the NQT year. But before? From a permanent job? No way! Once you have the induction out of the way, you are free. There are many NQTs struggling to find a job where they can complete induction and you have a permanent one. I think I'd try to fight for it a little bit more (if you can, of course. if you feel you can't, then there's nothing doing, get signed off with wrs and you don't have to go there ever more)
  20. CC, just wondering if you are ok?

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