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Does a teacher on MPS have to take a leadership role?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by MonstieBags, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. MonstieBags

    MonstieBags Occasional commenter

    I have been told that I am RE lead. NO TLR or extra time. Am on MPS 1 (supposed to be 2 but hadn't seen hide nor hare of pay rise as yet)
    I hate RE - I don't want to teach it never mind lead it.
    I am already leading a very time consuming research project and teach a very low ability year 5/6 so am having to do one to one lessons before an after school every day in order to help them get there ( in my own time but by my own choice - as this is something that affects teaching and learning so it interests me and I'm more than happy to do it).
    I don't want to be the RE lead - I don't want to be any lead - I love teaching and learning.
    I have not interest in management - can I just say no thanks?
    Why can't I just be allowed to teach my class without all this extra stuff?
  2. MonstieBags

    MonstieBags Occasional commenter

    Bit of background - we are a tiny school. One early years class of 15, one ks1 class of 20ish, one LKS2 class of 20 odd my UKS2 class. Do we even need a lead?
  3. Flanks

    Flanks Senior commenter

    It isn't leadership, it is curriculum. You won't have responsibility for staff.

    To be honest, almost every re teacher in the country is a defacto hod by virtue of being the only specialist in the school.
    Pomza, Lara mfl 05 and Mermaid7 like this.
  4. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Of course you could let in be known, subtly, that you are an atheist and are SO happy for this wonderful opportunity to install atheism and a loathing of religion - all religions - in the minds of your Pupils...;)
  5. MonstieBags

    MonstieBags Occasional commenter

    I work in a church school so we have SIAMS inspections - like an ousted but just for RE. Leading RE means all this will fall on me.
    It will be a lot of work and stress for something that I can't even use on my CV as I would never actively seek a lead role in this subject.
    I am expected to create an action plan and a two year overview of RE for the whole school by the end of this month. I am then expected to monitor RE and RE books and develop strategies throughout the year.
    Can I say no? I don't have the time
  6. MonstieBags

    MonstieBags Occasional commenter

    Actually I am a radical Christian and think all other religions are bunk would work equally well if not more effectively lol
  7. MonstieBags

    MonstieBags Occasional commenter

    Oh and of course the RE curriculum has just changed so I can't just copy and paste what we had before. Help
  8. MonstieBags

    MonstieBags Occasional commenter

    Hi, I am the only UKS2 teacher in the school but I haven't been made lead of UKS2 - that might have been a different kettle of fish. I and not an RE specialist and have no interest in it beyond my own very loose Christianity and I really don't want to do it.
  9. warburtonja

    warburtonja New commenter

    If they’ve asked for specific tasks such as the action plan you mention above, definitely ask for some time off timetable to complete it. Although you say that you wouldn’t use this experience on a CV, I’m sure schools would view it as a positive if you ever wanted to move on or were applying for promotion.

    Perhaps post on the primary or RS forum and see if anyone has something they can share with the new curriculum?
  10. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    It is surprising how subversive you can be under the heading of 'comparative religion'. Years ago, I had to teach some RE, due to an 'odds and sods' timetable, and treated it more as anthropology.
  11. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Can head direct you be RE lead? Yes.

    As other's have said, it's not a leadership/management role which should have a TLR as defined in STPCD: "... additional responsibility for the purpose of ensuring the continued delivery of high-quality teaching and learning and for which the teacher is made accountable."

    At least, I'm guessing what you're being asked to do doesn't fall within this. Primary curriculum leads aren't usually

    (a) responsible for the quality of teaching in the whole school for their subject , or,

    (b) held personally accountable (PM targets etc) for the school's outcomes in the subject (eg for the progress of pupils other than those in your assigned class)

    You can't say no. You can argue it of course. But in such a small school I'm surprised all teachers don't already have curriculum responsibilities like this.
    Lara mfl 05, Flanks and nomad like this.
  12. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Some of the minor religions can be very interesting. Particularly some of the North American Indian beliefs. Far more fun than Christianity, Islam or Judaism. Make sure to give them equal time.
    agathamorse likes this.
  13. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    In such a small school., you are lucky that all you have to lead is RE.
    It isn't a subject where you will have to do anything at all except maybe organise Harvest Festival!
    Most people don't get to pick and choose what subjects they lead in primary schools, certainly not in very small ones.
  14. cornflake

    cornflake Senior commenter

    I echo the comments here, especially as you indicate you are in a small school.
    Sadly, it is part of the job. If you want to "just teach" then you need to be in a huge school or do supply
  15. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Yes, Even a tiny School needs policies, curricula, development plans for all subjects.

    It will however show you're extending your progress as primary teacher expected to teach all subjects and any experience of 'leading' a subject, any subject, is good to have on your 'experience' for future job applications.

    And a ctob says
  16. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    I did my Primary PGCE placement in a school of 90 pupils from EYFS to Upper KS2.

    Every single member of staff had a responsibility. KS1 was SENCO. Lower KS2 was Numeracy. Upper KS2 was Literacy. EYFS was leading on art and music. The HT led on Science and Humanities.

    I started my career in a Secondary school of only 500 pupils from 11-18. I was the only Specialist in my subject after a couple of years, and despite leading it, got nothing extra. As others have said, if you want ro merely focus on clas teaching, you need a bigger school.
  17. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    As others have said, I’m surprised you haven’t got responsibilities for at least three subjects in a very small school. It’s a little more than the Harvest Festival as you need up to date policies and long term plans. However, there are usually Locally Agreed Syllabuses to be the framework. If there’s a lot of planning to sort ask for a day or two of supply cover to get it sorted.

    Only a big school will not have this and even there you will probably work on it in pairs or teams.
    agathamorse and Lara mfl 05 like this.
  18. SCAW12

    SCAW12 Occasional commenter

    Say no, what would happen as a result? Try it.
  19. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Wouldn't advise anybody to do that.

    In a small school everybody has to take their share in leadership and if the OP refused they'd probably just be asked to lead another subject, which might be more onerous.
    agathamorse and grumpydogwoman like this.
  20. Flanks

    Flanks Senior commenter

    This is a very odd comment to make. It will clearly enhance your CV.

    You should also be aware that RE is a subjects which by law must be taught within schools. So the idea that it is an irrelevancy to your career is just weird.

    Contact your local NATRE or the subject lead in a nearby school. Look up RE Policy on another school's website, steal it and alter it according to need. Post on the RE forum here to ask if anyone has a SoW or whole school curriculum which you can borrow, find a facebook group, it really isn't hard to get all this stuff really quickly and will take an hour or two at most to make the necessary adjustments.

    If the subject of 'RE' bothers you so much then that is your problem, and I don't really see why it needs to be a problem. Treat it as you would any curriculum area. It needs content, it needs objectives, and it needs to be taught. What the content is does not need to be a significant feature of the process itself. Treat it as social anthropology, or history, or philosophy for children, or pshe, or citizenship, or whatever you like. It is simply teaching as is any other lesson or curriculum area.

    You are making a bigger deal out of this than you should be. It is not management, it is essentially a paperwork exercise and once it is done it will take almost no time to update for next year when it comes around. Furthermore, as an experience it will stand you in good stead should you ever aspire to a TLR or management position.

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