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Do you think the three Cs method for managing bad behaviour is effective?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Oct 4, 2019.

  1. TES_Rosaline

    TES_Rosaline Administrator Staff Member

    What do you think of the three Cs method to managing bad behaviour?

    One headteacher reveals his approach to managing pupils, but do you think his system of choices, chances and consequences is the answer to challenging behaviour in some schools or do you think the method is too easy to manipulate and abuse?

    ‘We rigorously monitor our system and everything is recorded meticulously to protect students and staff against unfair practice. However, once given, the punishment stands and no deals can be cut, no matter how much pupils and parents protest.

    The system allows for weekly monitoring of:

    The top 10 students receiving behaviour sanctions.

    Classes with the most behaviour events issued.

    Behaviour “hot spots” – this could be a certain year group, period, subject or class that is experiencing behaviour issues.

    When issues are identified, appropriate support is put in place. Pockets of poor behaviour will crop up from time to time, but the system is so rigorous and detailed that these can be quickly identified and responded to by the pastoral team, who may sit in on classes for a while…’

    Neville Beischer is headteacher of Wright Robinson College in Manchester

  2. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    It strikes me as a thoughtful and probably effective rationale.
    I think there is sometimes virtue in reflecting, sometimes a punishment given in the heat of the moment may be disproportionate. We expect kids to take consequences. Adults don't always get it right.
  3. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    An appropriate curriculum, including physical activity and creativity is also important..
    For some students this could include unicycles!
    blazer likes this.
  4. gainly

    gainly Lead commenter

    I think these three Cs would be very effective although there could be some legal implications:

    Corporal Punishment
    Capital Punishment
  5. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

  6. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    'Behaviour hotspots' Sounds like targeting teachers there.
    However with many kids who misbehave you will have gone through all the steps by first break on Monday!
    tenpast7 likes this.
  7. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    There are no quick fixes.

    And this isn't one.
  8. Lalex123

    Lalex123 Occasional commenter

    After working in a challenging school on the behaviour front, it works effectively with 90% of the students. The question now is what about the extra 10%? What happens when children don’t mind the consequences because they’d prefer to sit in detention than go home because their home life is chaotic, or some other reason?
    Eszett, stonerose, TCSC47 and 3 others like this.
  9. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    @Lalex123 is correct, it's not the system as such, it's how prepared the school (and SLT especially) is to keep driving it onwards and deal with the repeat offenders.

    Perhaps it's just because I go to bottom-end schools but 3Cs (under a variety of names) is now the only show in town. Some work well, others don't.
    tonymars and TCSC47 like this.
  10. bessiesmith2

    bessiesmith2 New commenter

    Sounds like a good system. It requires funding which schools in my area don't have. We can't afford a member of staff to run an isolation room, nor could we staff the off-site 'compass centre' which sounds like an important part of the process. It doesn't say who is responsible for running the after school detentions. There are pros and cons of these being managed centrally or by individual teachers. However, let's say that in a school 10% of the students are causing problems - or 3 in a class of 30. For teachers of subjects such as music / drama who might teach between 200 and 300 students, this means managing between 20 and 30 detentions a week. Thus it is tempting to only hand out detentions for high-level problems because you already have 4 difficult students to manage tomorrow night and don't want to add to the list. So low-level issues can slip through the net.
    Eszett and JohnJCazorla like this.
  11. Lalex123

    Lalex123 Occasional commenter

    In most schools I have worked in, staff are on a rota for detentions so they are all run centrally. I teach 500 pupils and luckily we don’t have to run our own detentions!
    JohnJCazorla likes this.
  12. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Sounds like more work for some sappish middle leader who won't get any more time or money for the pleasure.
  13. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    I'd forgotten about that vital part of the process, "who runs the detentions?". You can't have teachers running it. A long time ago I discovered in late June that the first detention I could book for a regular miscreant was in September (and the middle of September at that). When I pointed this out to the Pastoral Head I got a resigned shrug. Also as Bessie S has pointed out there is inconsistency from teachers and that is aggravated by how over-booked they are for detentions. There has to be an SLT run detention system with the Lead SLT responsible for chasing up absences and poor behaviour or it is an non-starter. Teachers can also staff this on a rota basis or whatever but they shouldn't be expected to lead it.
  14. Eszett

    Eszett New commenter

    I agree that getting the follow-up right is way more important than what you call your various stages of escalation.

    In our school, C2 detentions are arranged and sat by subject teachers, C3 detentions are centralised and sat by middle leaders on a rota. The kids have figured out that subject teachers will use their detention to get them to catch up on work, while the middle leaders don't normally know what work they need to catch up on, so the detainees just get to sit there doing nothing. Many students prefer C3 detentions to C2 detentions. This means that as soon as I give a C2, those kids will then provoke a C3 on purpose. This means that I avoid giving C2s too early in the lesson, because once that C2 has escalated into a C3, I have nothing left to threaten them with and the student can basically do what s/he wants, having nothing left to loose. (Yes, there is a removal system, but most of the time the teacher on removal duty is busy and doesn't turn up for 20 minutes.) Most teachers find themselves dragging out C1s indefinitely, telling badly-behaved students "the next time you talk over me, you've got a C2" about 15 times, before giving a C2... OR you start by giving them a merit for opening their book, so that your first stage of escalation is the cancelling of that merit, and you earn a bit more time before you have to give a C1.

    Largely pointless and a huge source of distraction for teachers and students.
  15. tenpast7

    tenpast7 Occasional commenter

    I like the idea of middle leaders taking detention and suggest that SLT take the more serious offenders and give them appropriate subject work to catch up on. This is better and more supportive to Classroom Teachers than intrusive, unannounced learning walks.
    JohnJCazorla likes this.
  16. bessiesmith2

    bessiesmith2 New commenter

    I have thought for a while that learning walks focus on the wrong people. An SLT learning walk could be used to pick up STUDENTS who are disrupting the lesson / not working well. Then appropriate feedback / follow-up could be given to those particularly students - in their break or lunchtime. It always seems baffling that the learning walk is designed to criticize the one person in each room who is bound to be taking the lesson seriously.
  17. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Occasional commenter

    I've found that "C" systems tend to have a few roadblocks in schools with school wide behaviour issues:
    • Usually you need to call home to give a detention, that's really unreliable - when am I calling someone with a 9-5 job, are they home and are they supportive?
    • Then you need to run the detention yourself before someone higher up does one if behaviour doesn't improve. Well if the students have boundary issues with you it's a chance to air their grievances with you while also seeing how many students in your other classes are upset with you and can back them up.
    • The final consequence of being removed from the room relies on either disruptive students being trusted to change room themselves, friendly students taking around slips without reprisal or on call buttons with staff being available and not having pressure to return them to your room.
    When I was at school a teacher would just write out a detention slip for us to take home, no phone calls needed. They could also escalate it to a higher level immediately (yellow slip for teacher detention, red for SLT) depending on the severity of the disruption. Seemed simple and effective.

    It doesn't matter how you dress up your system with "Cs" and how you log it onto SIMS, what matters is that the workload produced is minimal so the teacher can be consistent and that there are staff with appropriate levels of authority, training and time to deal with the worst offenders.

    Your NQT shouldn't be burned out because they spent hours trying to call home for the worst behaved students in the school and now have them all once in their classroom raising hell, all because when on call finally came they put the students back in your room and didn't discipline them.
    JohnJCazorla likes this.
  18. vannie

    vannie Star commenter

    Know the school.
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
  19. vannie

    vannie Star commenter

    In answer to the OP. No.

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