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Do most Heads really work 70+ hours a week ? And if so, is it a Good Thing ?

Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by Oldcrofter, Mar 5, 2011.

  1. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    I have had my fair share of fending off angry and agressive t&c ( who are bigger than me) I've had kids bringing knives to school. I've had my fair share of threatening parents too. I once had a gun pulled on me and I'm no stranger to needles and knives. My career rests on the whim of my last ofsted inspector and the buck stops with me for everything. I doubt I earn more than you.
    I also have no bursar, no full time secretary, a tiny slt and s teaching commitment.
    I do the budget myself, write the SEF alone, and write all the funding bids. I have to attend all governors meetings and sub committees. Im on constant callout invade the alarm goes off (new years day last year - lovely). I oversee the running of all the extended services and if my cleaner in charge is ill I have to open up at 7am and lock up at 6.30.
    I'm not complaining, I love it. But don't presume that primary is all leafy and lovely. I come across lots of aggression and violence in my school community. Don't presume it's a fiddle either. If it was you'd probably have gone for it yourself.
  2. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Bloody iPod please excuse random words. T&c = kids ( not sure why?!) fiddle =doddle invade= in case. Duh!
  3. If it gets your goat it doesn't sound as if you really are 'perfectly happy' to listen to complaints.
    If you were my headteacher I doubt I would feel able to open up to you because your posts here reveal the distain you feel towards teachers who do not spend their time declaring they're 'lucky to have a job'.
    PS. My experience of headteachers (and this may not be you) who talk of peaks and troughs is that they always seem to emphasise that we're hitting peaks and need to work 24/7, and suprise suprise the troughs never happen!
  4. Keep on twisting, I'm sure you'll make anything read the way you want it to...........
  5. Very good, learn to work smarter.

  6. Sounds to me that he is not taking advantage of the huge admin resource avaliable to most secondary heads, his choice, or perhaps he is having trouble doing the job.
  7. You have 206 children in your year- WOW. No staff, limited responsibility, no budget, etc, etc.
    My early years leader has 180 3-5 year olds in her phase, 14 staff and all the parents to look after too, which we have to do,many are the sort of people who would rip off the heads of the aggressive boys of which you speak. I'll bet she gets paid less than you.
    I have 540 children in my school and 90 + staff, I'm paid to ensure the school runs properly, not on how many hours I work......You are paid to do what?
    It really annoys me the way children/students make such poor progress in secondary education, because the teaching by many of the, so called, teachers in that sector is so poor and the mangers/heads can't see it or lack the skills to change it!
    It really annoys me that so many friends and friends of friends ask me why it's so easy to find a good primary school, but near impossible to find a good secondary school.
    No, this is because that's what many of your colleagues really do. Mr Gove needs to realise that the so called specialists (bad modern/business studies degree, nothing else to do but teach brigade) are doing a trash job and need to start being retrained to a decent level or sacked! I'd guess that would solve your working until you're 66 problem!!!!!!

  8. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Maybe the government needs to rethink the whole Ofsted framework then!
  9. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    God I had one of those as part of the pilot for the 2009 framework. Possibly the most stressful 2 days I've ever had.
  10. I certainly respect the points you make here, and also the points made by curlygirly. Indeed CG's challenge that every school has every document ready at five minutes notice, and no school would be able to do that, is of course true.
    However this all suggests that the two days notice is to gather and update every bit of possible documentation that may be demanded...is that what staff should be worrying about in those two days, or should staff gird up their loins for being tip top in the classroom? Maybe you think they should do both.
    If some documentation is not available for inspection, or is out of date, then call it...what...call it work in progress. Such a response would be more honest than scrabbling together stuff to make a good impression at the last minute.
    It all reminds me of the legend that The Queen thinks everywhere smells of new paint.
    Wouldn't it be great if ofsted saw manifestly good stuff going on when they observe teachers with children, and approved of that, despite paperwork that may have holes in it? If the existence of current documentation is of benefit, then manage the resources so that it is reasonably fit for purpose at any time. After all, if ofsted only inspected the documentation it could be done online, and be a greener process too...the two days/no days I would suggest would rarely make any difference to the front line staff.
  11. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    What they see in classrooms is the most important stuff.

    But unfortunately we all know that ofsted demand tip top paperwork.

    I would have no problem with no notice inspections if they focussed on teaching and learning ( although I still get butterfiies when ofsted watch me teach) and if they were realistic, and time limited ( eg. All done in one day with no extra "evidence" to be collated. A snapshot of teaching is one thing, an ofsted inspection is entirely another.
  12. bnm


    The reality is that documentation and what it shows is nearly everything. Inspectors arrive in classrooms with an expectation of what they will see, dependent upon results. It is evidence on pieces of paper that has the power to confirm or alter the pre-inspection judgements. What actually goes on in the classrooms during the two days is nearly irrelevant to the final judgement.
  13. Then inspect online and save fuel!!
  14. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    That's a bit of an over simplification. If your data is good but they see inadequate or only satisfactory teaching, the report will reflect that. Conversely, if your data isn't great but they see good or outstanding teaching the school can be graded good and with the right inspector and a prevailing wind maybe even outstanding.
  15. bnm


    I have the greatest respect for you, curlygirly, but having been inspected many times (including the good/outstanding experience so no sour grapes either) my experience has been that the pre-inspection briefing nearly says it all and it takes a brave/stupid/outstanding/unusual inspector to change that initial view to any great extent. Good data=good teaching=good leadership=good overall. Poor data=poor teaching=poor leadership=poor overall. That simplification is how I see the Ofsted framework, by the way, not how I see reality.
  16. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Fair enough bum. Anecdotal I know, but in the pib phonecall of my last inspection ( an extremely challenging school that I'd recently joined) I was told we were looking at a category. We had decent inspectors, they saw outstanding teaching, they could see the direction we were headed and recognised the journey we'd been on in a very short space of time. We weren't put into a category. Far from it!

    Like anything though, it depends on whether the inspectors are willing to listen to you.
  17. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Oops, sincere apologies. IPod corrected bnm and made it bum, so sorry!
  18. bnm


    I'll forgive you this time!
  19. mychuck

    mychuck New commenter

    One time when a school I was at was inspected, the pib reflected a good school because of the data. This wasn't an accurate reflection of the quality of teaching and learning as it was satisfactory at best with one teacher going through capabilities.
    Not all paperwork will be completely up to date but key pieces should be as close as possible and all documentation should be relevant.
    What makes no notice so stressful is the pride I take in being well prepared for the day/week etc. If I'm teaching, going on a course, leading a meeting etc I think it is professional to give it my full attention and be prepared for it with the correct information/documentation available, resources and ensure the correct personnel etc are in place. This isn't possible with no notice and if I have a scheduled meeting or such like I would be unprofessional to cancel it or reschedule it at such short notice but I would be expected to 'drop everything' for OFSTED. I do not think it reasonable to be 'OFSTED ready' everyday.
  20. Why, if ofsted insist on no notice inspections, why should they insist on any of the work of a school to change?
    If ofsted decide to arrive on an inset day, or a sports day, so be it...in fact I can see that arrival on such a day may even be of benefit. If senior managers are tied up with appointments it is surely poor form to cancel them just because ofsted appear with little or no notice.

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