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Do Art Teachers need to have an Art Related degree?

Discussion in 'Art and design' started by raymondo84, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. joli2

    joli2 New commenter

    But it is primary - therefore suitable to teach ages 5-11, not just to teach.
  2. darkness

    darkness New commenter

    It's not even true anyway. Even on NQT forms you must state the age ranges you selected in primary ad you do select an age range, there is a vast difference between juniors and foundation phase for example.

    And secondary also has the age specifics placed on the certificates now.

    You can of course move down I believe, but a lot of people say not up, or you would be required to show a lot more if you wanted to move up, knowledge wise. There is no legislation to bar people using their QTS in either, but certainly, it makes it far harder.
  3. Interesting. In Scotland, you can teach Primary and Secondary if you have an Art PGDE.
    I taught both at one point. Primary school on Wednesdays, high school during the rest of the week.
  4. Mrs Grumpy

    Mrs Grumpy New commenter

    As usual, I agree with Joli 2. There are plenty of good, qualified, tried-and-tested Art Teachers already struggling to get the right job, without possibly talented but non-qualified people in there. My own degree was Graphics, after a Foundation course that was wide-ranging, itself on top of Art "A" levels, but it was a course with a very sound Technical background, then I did PGCE, and over the years I have taught Art and Design, Art history, Technology Graphics, and Product Design amongst other things, but it's simply not enough to be interested, and a talented practitioner yourself. You have to have thorough knowledge, AND to know how to teach, AND student and stock control, AND loads more. If you're currently working effectively in the "real world", carry on - but get links. Offer work experience placements for local students, get involved in courses, meet and listen to teachers actually teaching the subject, do this for a while, then see if you can do a "taster time" at one or more local schools. That should put you in a better position, showing more committment, for getting onto a course - or put you off the idea. Teaching is getting tougher all the time. Not sure you ought to do it, but it sounds as if you're determined to do it, whatever anyone says. But there may well not be any jobs at the far end of a course, and it certainly isn't a nice easy option. Believe us.
  5. D4n


    It is quite possible to move both ways between phases. QTS is not phase specific. For instance, I know of a very successful secondary school headteacher who began her career as a primary teacher (with a music specialism). I also know another highly respected secondary deputy headteacher who moved from primary to secondary via maths as a specialism. I am aware of others who have travelled in the other direction equally successfully.
    As an adviser, and indeed as an external examiner for PGCE, I know that often an art teachers' first degree does not provide the technical grounding for their work in classrooms. There is, of course, a broad grounding in the field which includes experience at school during GCE courses, as well as in subsequent education. But I am not convinced that our friend is necessarily unable to teach art without a first degree in art, professional experience is relevant and valid. However, it is undeniably true that it will be difficult and it would be easier to aspire to be a history teacher in the first instance - especially in view of the National Curriculum Review which is likely to enhance the status of history as a curriculum subject.
    It is not clear to me how the evolving role of training schools and direct entry procedures being introduced by this government will open up new routes into the profession for those with real enthusiasm and relevant experience rather than a particular qualification. I would advise looking at the TDA website for advice on routes into the profession. http://www.tda.gov.uk
  6. I agree, you really learn so much on the PGCE which prepares you for the classroom and enhances any technical knowledge you had.
    Although I do not have an Art degree, I am confident teaching the subject to 11-18 year olds. I think every teacher, in whatever subject looks to develop/update their skills, and art is no different. There is nothing to say that having an art degree prepares you totally for teaching.
    The profession should be thrilled to get more passionate teachers, who are willing to fill any gaps in their knowledge, even if this means part time courses/training/CPD. If you do not have an art degree, you always feel at a disadvantage, and therefore work twice as hard to ensure you know your stuff and your lessons are exciting, engaging, relevant and technically accurate- I know I do anyway.
    I agree with the original post- it was a huge mistake not to study art at degree level, and I found it hard to accept that my future career would be determined by a choice I made when I was 17!

    Good Luck!
  7. joli2

    joli2 New commenter

    I take exception to this. Is it only art teachers without a relevant degree that show passion and strive to dvelop their subject knowledge? I think not.
  8. Don't take exception to this- 'more' means in addition to the many teachers who already do this. The important thing is that those who feel they are on the backfoot do more to make up the deficit.
  9. Simple, Art and Design teachers need to have an Art or Design related degree. No room for discussion. I would not try and teach French or Chemistry etc without the right training first.
  10. Just read firechristie's post, and totally disagree. Being an Art and Design teacher i would be horrified if someone without a solid grounding in Art and Design was teaching my child. If you want to teach Art and Design i suggest you leave the teaching profession for some years and try to go to art school. If you succeed come back to teaching as an Art and Design teacher armed with the right training and experiences.
  11. joli2

    joli2 New commenter

    Do more than who? How do you know this? How do you know well-qualified art teachers aren't doing just as much? You're trying to convince yourself it's ok that you didn't know much to start with. I happen to disagree.
  12. I have been Head of Art in a small Prep School for just over a year. I have no teaching qualifications but I have a MA in Illustration, I have worked for 25 years as an Artist and Illustrator and have been an Associate Lecturer at University and taught adults for many years.
    I have two teachers in my department who teach art to the younger children. They have been there far longer than I have and have had no Art based qualifications. I was shocked when I arrived at how much they didn't know e.g: what a complementary colour was! They do a wonderful job teaching but I am very conscious that there are gaps in their knowledge which I see as important and I find this hard to come to terms with. It frustrates me and possibly I feel it belittles my knowledge. However, on the other hand they may well look at me and see that I have gaps in understanding how to deliver my subject. The children will give you the answer...
  13. I’m in the middle of completing a job application for an art
    teaching post, and ironically stumbled across this post with annoyance. I know
    it’s still early days but my weekly searches conclude ‘shock horror’ that art
    teaching vacancies are few and far between despite my willingness to relocate anywhere
    within the UK. As previously highlighted secondary Art and Design is an
    oversubscribed subject that is reflected in the TDA’s decision to reduce
    numbers for the 2012 contort of PGCE trainees, and rightly so. Why train more
    for positions that currently barely exist?
    <font size="3" face="Times New Roman">

    </font>Art&rsquo;s connections with subjects such as Design Technology
    and Photography are ever more prevalent, and it is no longer adequate enough to
    be specialised in Art alone. We&rsquo;re not even sure where the new Government will
    place art&rsquo;s value in the new curriculum &ndash; it may not even remain a standalone
    subject. So if you&rsquo;re thinking of getting into art teaching then be prepared
    for the high possibility that you will have to teach a secondary subject also.
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    </font>Many believe a passion for art&rsquo;s subject translates as &ldquo;I paint
    the odd picture and attend exhibitions and therefore I know it, and could
    probably teach it&rdquo; to be sufficient. Art is not something that can be learnt
    overnight in fact it takes many years &ndash; in my case 12 years and I&rsquo;m still learning.
    An Art education at degree level not only involves gathering a wealth of
    knowledge through frequently attending exhibitions, researching art history and
    examining this along with today&rsquo;s issues through critical analysis. Your own
    practice (both independent and collaborative) is continually tested and questioned
    through exhibition and audience. Predominantly you are trained to become a successful
    and competent art practitioner. It is this knowledge of content and context
    that is taken and adapted to the classroom, not simply a recital of the colour
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    </font>Looking back on my art education, could I be as successful a
    teacher without it? No, quite frankly I&rsquo;d feel a fraud. With more and more
    contemporary art feeding its way into the curriculum this knowledge is fundamental.
    Yes there are a few &lsquo;gaps&rsquo; in my knowledge but my PGCE has successfully addressed
    these. Oh and it helps to remain a practitioner &ndash; in order to keep those
    invaluable skills in tip top condition!
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  14. subedo

    subedo New commenter

    Yes, i'd be upset if you were teaching my kids too. However at least you do have a passion for art. I worked with a head of art originally from Scotland, moody git but very witty sense of humour, great teacher, kids loved him and eventually so did I. Was a successful department, then in comes Mrs no one, no drawing skills, getting the pupils to hang cups from trees and all sorts of primary school shenanigans, I couldn't stay, if being bullied by a complete un-artistic, untalented human being with horrid behaviour wasn't bad enough, I could not sit and watch what she was doing to that amazing department, truly heart breaking. Sadly the pupils didn't fair well with her and their grades went through the floor this year, this is what happens when a HOD knows nothing about the subject they teach, I didn't feel i could speak out as i didn't know who she knew in management as nepotism was rife. Perhaps she pulled the wool over their eyes, who knows, perhaps she was super cheap? It's so sad that art doesn't seem to matter these days. Any old Tom, Dick or Harry could be let in to teach your little darlings art. I hope this school is in the minority, though speaking on forums with other art teachers, my experience is pretty common. Art is a wonderful subject and can build confidence to help pupils engage with other more academic subjects. I hope one day to find a head who truly values creativity and arty subjects, when i find him/her then i shall teach again.
  15. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Zombie thread alert.

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