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Do any of you think there will never be a return to normal?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by a1976, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    Do any of you think that there will never be a return to normal regarding education after this crisis ends? Some economists think that online education (because it is working so well during this crisis) may even be continued to replace the traditional school day and university setting. What do you think? I certainly want this to happen.
     
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  2. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    You want digital learning to become the norm? WOW!
    I've always thought that interaction with pupils is one of the best parts of teaching.
     
  3. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    I can see, hopefully, universities moving some teaching digitally (get rid of most lecture theatres). I don't see it completely replacing schools especially lower down. Not unless the economy changes do much that it did not require the majority of parents to work.
     
  4. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    Absolutely NOT! My concerns are how are students able to do tasks such s Maths or Physics without the support of a teacher nearby. I wouldn't be able to do that!
     
  5. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    You mean, doing away with different universities and just having online?
     
  6. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    No use in practical subjects, like science, where you spend every day in the lab handling equipment.
     
  7. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    My bold
    Doesn't fit with
     
  8. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    No. That universities embrace digital technologies. Why build a lecture theatre for 500 people of you can do the same thing online? Use that storage for specialist classrooms which can't be replicated digitally.
     
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  9. a1976

    a1976 Established commenter

    Oh, I see, NO, I do NOT want this to happen. I fear that some politicians and managers may try and use this crisis to their advantage.
     
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  10. thejudgesscoresarein

    thejudgesscoresarein Occasional commenter

    Isnt that what the OU is?
     
  11. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    Sort of.
     
  12. Sally006

    Sally006 Senior commenter

    I’d like to think KS2 SATs and League Tables would be gone for good, Ofsted gone for good and our children become resilient independent learners. Do I think that will actually happen? Sadly, I doubt it.
     
  13. TheOracleAtDelphi

    TheOracleAtDelphi Established commenter

    :) I was going for 'not really' - not unless it has changed a lot in the last ten years, which is of course always possible! I know when my Dad did his degree, they did broadcast TV programmes, some of which were probably more lecture-y and when I did mine some courses had videos as part of the course materials, but they weren't really like lectures at a conventional university (being talked at continuously for an hour while you desperately tried to listen and copy down all the extensive notes written on the blackboards - I know lecture notes are often provided in advance now digitally which must be a massive help for the students)...
     
  14. HolyMahogany

    HolyMahogany Senior commenter

    Distance / on line learning? Don't worry by the time parents have had 3 months plus at home with their little darlings they will be ready to lynch any politician who suggests closing schools permanently and making this the new normal.
     
  15. Lalex123

    Lalex123 Established commenter

    It won’t happen. You would reduce the curriculum massively due to lack of equipment or resources.

    Think about music (5 or so instruments per child at home), drama (how can you act in a group), textiles (does everyone have a sewing machine at home), wood work (I know you don’t all have that machinery in your house), art (requires a variety of materials), science (what parent wants their kids to handle chemicals unsupervised), PE (you can’t play cricket by yourself). Who would provide students with all of this?

    University platform learning is hard. I’ve done it before and gave up because it requires students to self motivate, not ask questions, receive no feedback. How would they get their books marked? How would you assess PE, etc?
     
  16. FormosaRed

    FormosaRed Occasional commenter

    I think some subjects will go online after this. Personalised learning with each student following a scheme if work at their own pace. Languages and Maths could work well. (I'm not in favour of the idea but I can see how it will appeal. It will cut the education budget significantly.)
     
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  17. physicsfanboy

    physicsfanboy Occasional commenter

    There are plenty of people who are pushing the online education agenda (as they will make a mint from making lots of teachers redundant and pocketing the savings). However, I can't see it happening. We are about to start a mass experiment in online education, and I think we are going to find it's a disaster. Of course they will argue we weren't prepared this time. But, there will be lots of pupils not logging on because they can't / won't. Lots of ignoring set work, because what can the teacher do about it? Massive reduction in achievement because you can't ask a question of someone in the room. Lots of distraction when you are on the internet. I don't believe (despite what many heads keep saying) that real education is going to happen for the remainder of this year.
     
  18. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    For most pupils home/online education in this crisis won't start until tomorrow so how can any economists already have evaluated and published their analysis of how well it is working?

    Can you point us to an example of an economist who has written about this? I haven't seen any
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
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  19. colacao17

    colacao17 Senior commenter

    We will go back to normal, but it won't be the same normal as before, i don't think.
     
  20. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    I'm not too far from retirement - if we end up going to virtual teaching I will walk.
     

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