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Dj - ing and GCSE

Discussion in 'Music' started by fretless, Jul 5, 2011.

  1. We do AQA and although I don't have any DJs my understanding is that the Technology based performance includes DJing. They certainly played us an example at the training session I went to - it caused quite a heated discussion.
     
  2. gliss

    gliss New commenter

    Thanks for all of your responses especially the AQA response - could have bet that AQA had spoken about Djing cos I also remember an interesting debate, but, looking at the spec it is not clear.
    If anyone has any knowledge of Djing and the equipment needed I'd be grateful of some advice - going to phone AQA to clarify this option and get some support on this.
     
  3. I am following this thread with interest as I am in a similar position. I remember DJing as being part of AQA, as is rapping. I've advertised it as such to the y9s.
    I am also looking into buying DJing equipment, but am clueless about what to go for. I once had a DJ in school who used CDs rather than records. That has confused me further.
    Last point - I requested AQA put on a course to address the issue of assessing / teaching rapping and DJing. I feel totally out of my depth!
     
  4. gliss

    gliss New commenter

    glad to know i am not alone, my son has a friend who is heavily into Djing, so spent 2 hrs with him tonight talking through the best tech to buy, so I am at least better clued up, he is also willing to do some workshops, I now have 26 pupils interested in coming along to the workshops at a fee of £5 for 2 hrs - I am also looking to see if this young man could work with pupils like a private peri.
    so watch this space
     
  5. I have recently completed my PGCE in FE working in music technology etc. I have also been involved with writing/producing/performing hip hop for over 15 years and deliver workshops on rapping/writing rap/music technology and am hoping to start work in a local prison soon. If I can be of service to anyone on this subject just give us a shout and if I can - will offer any advice that may be of use. The equipment looks decent - I'm no dj but they look like controller surfaces that plug into another device like an i-pod or pc and then act as a normal vinyl deck with whatever sounds you feed to it. Its not the "organic" djing in terms of having a record in your hand with two decks with needles and a mixer but that has its advantages in itself i guess, plus more and more djs are moving with the tech - cd decks/laptop performances etc are more common these days. Hope this ramble was of some use.
    cheers
     
  6. v12

    v12

    What a depressing thread!
    I wonder if this might be one of the 4500 'Mickey Mouse' GCSE options facing the axe.

     
  7. All this comment demonstrates is your ignorance of the subject area. If you had any idea of just how difficult DJing is at a professional level then you would not be dismissing it. The techniques involved take as many years to master as any other instrument. It is a valid area of work in the music/music technology industry, if we're trying to train people to be able to have longevity in a career then it is perfectly valid. Just because someone doesn't play a classical/traditional instrument it doesn't mean they're not an instrumentalist, that would be an archaic way to think. Do you think DJ-ing hasn't moved forward since Jimmy Saville first played two records one after the other or is it all music technology that you would consider to be 'Mickey Mouse'?
     
  8. You are going to need a serious investment if you are going to do this properly. For a start, you need to have a specialist teacher if you know nothing about it. If not, you are just going to throw the students in a room with the equipment to play around with it which is no form of education. There is a massive variety of equipment you will need, decks, mixers (decent ones or these will break easily) and then you need to make some decisions about what format you want. CDJ's? Vinyl? Ideally, if you are teaching DJ-ing properly you should invest in both. You should also look at software programmes which would be industry reflective. Obviously Serato is the market leader but is expensive and there are free alternative versions available.
     
  9. It takes years, you really need a specialist if you are going to deliver this (I refer to DJing rather than MC-ing). Why not offer instrumental tuition in it once you have the equipment? Find a professional/semi-professional DJ in the area who can come in and teach in the same way your peri's do on other instruments.
     
  10. v12

    v12

    I have no doubt that professional DJing is a tricky skill to acquire, in much the same way as arranging the layout of pictures in an art gallery must have a certain knack to it.
    But that is surely all it is, taking someone else's efforts and placing them in a pleasing order with the correct frames and labels.
    A DJ is certainly not a musician.
    In my opinion.
     
  11. So unless we are composers we are not musicians? There is a 'certain knack' to performing a piece of any music, e.g. a Mozart sonata, from the techniques we practice as an instrumentalist to our background knowledge of the music, general history and how the music should be performed. How does this differ from your example of the laying pictures in an art gallery? DJ's practice techniques, they have to know their DJ history and how to use a multitude of equipment (from which they will choose to create their specific style), they also have to have up-to date knowledge of an ever-changing musical landscape.
     
  12. Is this not what the classical music performance side of the industry is entirely based on?
     
  13. v12

    v12

    Surely GCSE Art requires someone to compose their own pieces as well as demonstrating techniques of media-manipulation, rather than just arranging a pile of someone else's pictures.
    Otherwise you present a very well argued case, which I will go away and consider in an effort to re-allign some of my obvious prejudices!
    [​IMG]
     
  14. Any decent DJ course will include electronic writing and understanding of music sequencing, it's not just the techniques and the performance.

    Thank you. To be fair your comment on it being 'Mickey Mouse' and the general perception people have about it may also be down to the way it is very often atrociously 'taught'. For some reason spending a bit of money on equipment and then throwing students in a room to play with it is all too common an approach. When this happens I agree that it is not a worthwhile qualification. When done properly it has very demanding aspects to it's content. I am classically trained and until I actually understood what goes into the DJ profession and how it impacts on the music industry and artists I also had similar views to your initial post :)
     
  15. v12

    v12

    Excellent! Perhaps we'll draw a line under this sub-thread - rather than, as I'm appalled to notice in my last post, allign (sic).
     
  16. I was intrigued with the idea of a GCSE dj - so googled "what is djing". One site suggested that a good dj is one who gets the girls up and dancing...
    could be interesting at moderation meetings,
    going to the coffee machine is off the floor - F grade
    a tapping foot gets a C perhaps
    examiner strips to swimming costume and girates - A*

     

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