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Discipline

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by segbog, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. Yesterday in my school was like a scene from Bedlam. Discipline measures do not seem to work anymore. The kids know that we can't basically do anything. I just feel that academia and striving to be your best have taken a back seat to placatiing the troublemakers and rewarding the banal.

    Time to get out methinks, because I cannot see it changing.
     
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  2. Yesterday in my school was like a scene from Bedlam. Discipline measures do not seem to work anymore. The kids know that we can't basically do anything. I just feel that academia and striving to be your best have taken a back seat to placatiing the troublemakers and rewarding the banal.

    Time to get out methinks, because I cannot see it changing.
     
  3. Sounds like the day I had today :( Shame when it's actually only a small handful and there are others who do want to learn and try hard. Sadly they are quiet and well behaved so don't attract the attention.
     
  4. Aye...but the Squeaky Gear Gets the Grease ..really feel sorry for the quiet wee ones..their lives and education are ruined by the numpties ...
    Not sure if I am up to the constant misbehaviour anymore. It just gets so wearing. Others seem to be able to cope with it. I just find it so tiring. Looking for a way out tbh...
    It needs a vocation this weather, and i don't have that...
     
  5. RaymondSoltysek

    RaymondSoltysek New commenter

    Believe me, I really don't mean this to sound judgmental - but it's your classroom, so why aren't you paying attention to the good ones? We often say "the good ones get ignored", forgetting the fact that it's US who ignore them!
    A positive assertive approach where you acknowledge, praise and reward the kids who do what you want (and, of course, consistently sanction the ones who don't) will ensure that the good kids get the recognition they deserve. It might also get the message across to the ones who are misbehaving that there are big advantages to towing the line.
     
  6. catmother

    catmother Star commenter

    Funny how this sounds so simple and obvious. Funny how this is so far away from what happens in some classes,including some of mine.
     
  7. Yes - agree. And how do you sanction 4 kids in your class who want to be excluded or referred - they treat it as a badge of honour? Weans running in your class saying they cannot be (insert expletive) doing any work and demanding to do watch a dvd.
    All this stuff works great with nice, well behaved classes. Try Assertive Discipline Techniques in my class and you will get a chair thrown at you.

    Discipline is out the window and needs to be reasserted nationally. Some kids in my school should not even be there. They should be in specialised centres which can deal with this appalling behaviour, but these have all been shut down to save money. I signed up to be a teacher, not a social worker, not a policeman, and not an appeaser to behaviour which should not be tolerated in any walk of life.
    I do not know of another profession which would take the rubbish we get everyday. Bus drivers have got more protection than we do.
     
  8. Shouldn't that be "toeing the line"? ;)

     
  9. I think the issue is that we are sometimes forced to spend so much time and are run ragged disciplining a small number, often as a matter of health and safety, that we cannot always, in a fifty minute period, devote as much time as we would like to children who are not high tarif but who quietly 'get on with it' .
     
  10. Dominie

    Dominie New commenter

    There was a piece in the Herald today: "Respect disruptive pupils, teachers urged". Apparently, Glasgow excludees feel alienated by the way they were treated by teachers. By comparison, pupils believed interaction with youth workers was much more positive ..."
    So Yoof workers 1 - Teachers 0
    I imagine that were teachers to bandon any attempt to actually teach the so n sos and only had to deal with them individually or in small groups the kids' perceptions would change overnight. Maybe that's what COSLA had in mind by their infamous "Teachers' main job should not be to teach?
     
  11. Well, they would say that wouldn't they! The selfishness of some pupils and parents is beyond belief. Schools bend over backwards as it is to meet the extremely challenging needs of some pupils - and rightly so, but if it's not good enough...then let them work with the yoof workers and their myriad of qualifications in teaching and education.
     
  12. It's easy to get kids to like you. Teaching them something or encouraging them to put in the work so that they will learn something is a whole different thing.
     
  13. That's the problem...i do hate kids..wrong job...
     
  14. RaymondSoltysek

    RaymondSoltysek New commenter

    Indeed it should. Dontcha love spellcheckers?
     
  15. RaymondSoltysek

    RaymondSoltysek New commenter

    Absolutely. But at least it can make huge differences some - most? - of the time. Nothing works in every situation, but there are some things that work in most.
     
  16. misterroy

    misterroy New commenter

    I may have missed the formal re-introduction, welcome back Ray. I look forward to views being challanged.
     
  17. I think Scottish education is now in disaster mode...something has to be done.
    I put up with hell everyday...that is not right. Why are our schools so bad? I hate to say it...but it's liberal nonsense, and I am a socialist at heart. Kids are running the education system now.
    We need discipline. We should be in charge.
    Rights for children? What about my rights as an educated human being? Why do I feel like I enter a warzone every morning?
    There is your CfE - Total rubbish....


    Let's get back to the teacher in charge, kids being quiet and doing their work. An end to placation. Sick to death of dumb ideas for the classroom by idiots who have never been in one.
     
  18. I think I share in the sentiment behind your post although I find your wording a little bit excitable. My school is not a warzone, but I am tired of the appeasement of pupils who do not want to "play the game". I get irritated by the fact that pupils who misbehave are rewarded by being placed on various schemes which seem to others to be a treat. I am irritated by Cfe and the lack of clarity given to those who are meant to implement it. I am tired of being told that my department is underperforming and that it is the fault of the teachers when we all produce remarkable results given the limitations we work under in terms of the "educational system and the attitude of many of the pupils in our care. I am also angered by the way my school is run where the defincies of learning support, for example, are ignored and where the promotion of subjects, considered academically less challenging, has meant that pupils seem to believe that education should be easy in all subjects.
    Okay maybe I am as excitable as you...[​IMG]
     
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  19. Is that not ironic? It should be deficiencies!!!!!
     
  20. I'm now setting up to go abroad...had enough of daft ideas about education, when everybody knows what has to be done. I work in a school where there is no discipline. The parents don't give a monkeys and I am basically an overpaid babysitter for
    neds in the making.
    Swearing is the norm, but if they swear at you directly then something can be done. (mostly nothing) So I sit in my class and hear four letter words as the norm. If I ask the kids to do work I am threatened with a whole number of issues. Children running, I say running, into class and demanding to watch a dvd. This philosophy of the school is to show love to damaged children.
    Raymond...I studied at Jordanhill, and you never told me about this. How would you deal with that then?
     

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