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Did he jump or was he pushed? Fired or Resigned?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by coldmetal, Feb 23, 2017.

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  1. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    Is it better for you record to resign than wait to be fired? As my workplace have let me down so badly and are not playing ball anymore, consequently I'm not playing ball with them - re all the mountains of paperwork - My Union have recommended a without prejudice discussion, to retain a good or standard reference - not sure what's best
     
  2. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Lead commenter Forum guide

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    Impossible to say without knowing what's happening, which I realise you probably can't say on here.

    A Settlement Agreement might be better than either, but no idea if that is relevant here.

    Do you plan to stay in teaching? Resigning but getting a reference that says " @mikecom resigned before the disciplinary investigations against him could be concluded" isn't going to help much.

    Is the "without prejudice discussion" your union recommend a 'Protected Conversation'? If so I would expect the union to see this as a step towards a Settlement Agreement.
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  3. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Be very careful - your Union should advise you (not the school rep, higher in the union structure). You want an agreed reference, so you know what the HT will say.
     
  4. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    Yes it's a higher person than the College rep apparently she has spoken to HR and they will get back to her in a day or so but it's not really clear to me on what stand point she is negotiating or the terms... or if I resign what harm can that do me? either way I have a months notice - there are lots of things unclear.
     
  5. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I would just say (& my experience was in secondary schools, so maybe a different context) that you should not resign until your Union agrees that they have secured an agreed reference for you (which you need to see and agree - after perhaps making additions/deletions as necessary). This is especially important if you ever want t another job in education, but even if you are leaving this sector, you may still need a ference.
     
  6. ViolaClef

    ViolaClef Established commenter

    Then you should take your union's advice. If you want another job in education you will be asked for a reference from your most recent employer and you have to put that employer down as your first referee. You cannot escape that, hence the importance of following your union's advice in order to get a 'good' or 'standard' reference.
     
  7. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    absolutely this.
     
  8. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    But you won't though will you Mike because you always know best and never take the blindest bit of notice of what anyone ever tells you on here.
     
  9. Piranha

    Piranha Lead commenter

    Of course, we are assuming that the school will go along with the unions's idea. The failure of the school and the OP to 'play ball' with each other might make this less likely, especially if the school believes that they have good grounds for taking action. hard though it may seem, trying to cooperate could be a good plan here.
     
  10. foxtail3

    foxtail3 Star commenter

    Is this the poster who works in FE though?
     
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  11. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Lead commenter

    That unpleasant reply was completely unnecessary.
     
  12. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    True though
     
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  13. purplecarrot

    purplecarrot Senior commenter

    But true. Lots of us have given lots of advice on multiple threads and the OP tends to ignore it/argue back and then come back with more complaints about their workplace.

    The OP doesn't have a right to a settlement agreement or agreed reference. If the college are confident that they have a tight case then they may decide the OP should just resign and takr whatever reference (and then we'll have another thread about how unfair life is).

    They need to listen to their union who will have more information about the situation (and possibly approach the situation with a bit more humility and openess than has been shown in previous posts).
     
  14. missRV

    missRV Occasional commenter

    I just hope mike does take unions advice this time round.
     
  15. thatmaninthehat

    thatmaninthehat Occasional commenter

    Don't know you Mike but sounds like others do and are trying to help you.Please take the advice offered.
     
  16. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    How would you know Peakster? this is just horrible and nasty - a lot of people have been helpful and supportive.
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    Either endeavor to help the posters who require it or don't post.
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    Thank you for your enquiry.
     
  17. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

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  18. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    stupid and unnecessary
     
  19. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    And point proved...:rolleyes:
     
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  20. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

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