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Depressed NQT with no job in September.

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by lily_w, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. Yep, education is going down the toilet.
     
  2. I'm in the same position unfortunately - have felt really down recently as I really didn't think I would be in this situation after completing my PGCE. I've applied to 25-30 jobs, with one interview (figured it was my weak aplication that was the problem there) where I came a close second as well, with no other feedback given.
    I've signed up to supply agencies for sept, decided to embrace that challenge in the hope that the experience will build my knocked confidence. I love teaching and don't won't to leave what I've started.
    Also on the jobseekers - I went there and it was fine. I've applied to local summer clubs etc. (all full) as well as teaching jobs (of which there are a few coming up for sept/oct/jan starts if you look), they're understanding of the situation. I've signed up to temp agencies as well and will be doing some admin/waitressing work over the next few weeks - need to pay the bills and sick of sitting around. Just trying to stay positive, decided that something must come up and change!
     
  3. Hi Lily

    First of all, sympathies! I know what you mean as I too have experienced the feelings and scenarios that you have described.

    Second, I also share your feelings about supply which is why I go for long-term supply posts only. These may suit you better as you get the experience (and recent references) that you need and can *** off sharpish if you don't like somewhere. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this or being picky about where you go! The better agencies understand and respect me for this I've found. As for those who don't, I don't sign up with them as it's to be honest and set boundaries from the very beginning I think! After all, as one consultant rightly said last week, we've worked hard for years to get to where we are now and we deserve to secure a position that we're comfortable with. Also, the pay off for the school or college is that they know that they're going to get someone good, hardworking and reliable who does a good job and will get asked again and again which means more money for them! LOL! My advice to you if you're concerned about this route is to think about exactly what type of you want, what you're prepared to offer and explain this to the agencies that you speak to. If they give you any hard sell or bs, don't register with them. You could also try LEA pools if primary or secondary (sadly, this option is not open to me as I'm FE trained).

    As for other alternative jobs, I worked as a casual library assistant for 9 years after leaving college, so I've signed up with agencies specialising in this type of work too. Have you done anything like this or are you interested in a particular field apart from teaching that you think you could also apply for?

    Also, hard to do I know as I often worry about this situation but I'd also say, be patient! Once the results etc comes out at the end of August and people are in a better position to say how many students they have next year, there will probably be a lot more positions coming up that may suit you.

    In the meantime, think of how much better your job application and interviewing skills will be compared to some of the other candidates you're competing against because every application etc interview etc has given you the chance to prefect your technique thereby increasing your chances of success next time!

    Anyway, hope this helps and I hope that a job you like comes along very soon! ;-)
     
  4. Hi Lily

    First of all, sympathies! I know what you mean as I too have experienced the feelings and scenarios that you have described.

    Second, I also share your feelings about supply which is why I go for long-term supply posts only. These may suit you better as you get the experience (and recent references) that you need and can *** off sharpish if you don't like somewhere. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this or being picky about where you go! The better agencies understand and respect me for this I've found. As for those who don't, I don't sign up with them as it's important to be honest and set boundaries from the very beginning I think! After all, as one consultant rightly said last week, we've worked hard for years to get to where we are now and we deserve to secure a position that we're comfortable with. Also, the pay off for the school or college is that they know that they're going to get someone good, hardworking and reliable who does a good job and will get asked again and again which means more money for the agency and you because you'll be used again and in demand! LOL! My advice to you if you're concerned about this route is to think about exactly what type of you want, what you're prepared to offer and explain this to the agencies that you speak to. If they give you any hard sell or bs, don't register with them. You could also try LEA pools if primary or secondary (sadly, this option is not open to me as I'm FE trained).

    As for other alternative jobs, I worked as a casual library assistant for 9 years after leaving college, so I've signed up with agencies specialising in this type of work too. Have you done anything like this or are you interested in a particular field apart from teaching that you think you could also apply for?

    Also, hard to do I know as I often worry about this situation but I'd also say, be patient! Once the results etc comes out at the end of August and people are in a better position to say how many students they have next year, there will probably be a lot more positions coming up that may suit you.

    In the meantime, think of how much better your job application and interviewing skills will be compared to some of the other candidates you're competing against because every application etc interview etc has given you the chance to prefect your technique thereby increasing your chances of success next time!

    Anyway, hope this helps and I hope that a job you like comes along very soon! ;-)

    PS. Sorry for this repost. I made some SPG errors in my previous post (due to a rotten cold I have so my head's a bit foggy) and the edit button didn't work properly when I tried to correct them.
     
  5. lily_w

    lily_w New commenter

    Thank you all for your fantastic advice. I've tried my best to enjoy the summer break and I'm feeling a bit better and trying to stay positive about finding a job eventually. I know it's tough but we've got to try at least. I'm still deciding about where to do supply - I don't really want to do it as I hate going into classes and schools I don't know but I don't want a huge gap on my CV either. Oh well, onwards and upwards.
     
  6. I know how you feel.
    I finished my PGCE in 2009 and every since my work has been temporary. From 2009 -2010 I was lucky enough be working in one school. In sept 2010 after some supply work I found work for 6 months and now I am back to square one. No job secured for september 2011 and cash running low.
    I recently had an interview for the perfect job, only to find out its only a couple hours a week!
    I am feeling so worthless! I am 26 soon to be 27 with no foundation built with a career I have worked hard for.
     
  7. I would recommend supply especially if you have just qualified it's scary at first but the amount of experience you get from it is brilliant! I can sympathise with everything you have said I read about people I went to school with who had no idea what they wanted to do and had nothing to do with teaching or childcare and they now have teaching jobs and I don't.
    Although you have just qualified so you have plenty of time and I'm sure you will get something soon. Imagine how frustrating it is when like me you are experiencing the things you have mentioned for example everyone you know from your course has a job and you don't 2 years or more after uni. I have not been able to start my nqt year and having been supply teaching will soon be told I can't do that either as my extension will have run out!!!! Then what I qualified as a teacher to teach believe it or not and soon with no full time job and the government telling me I can't supply I don't know what I will be able to do!!!!
     
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Lots of good advice here, and a great deal of sympathy from others who have been - or still are - in the same situation as you.
    Do note what John in Luton says in post 17 (He is the appointments co-ordinator for NQTs in Luton - I have probably got his title wrong, but basically he fits together joib vacancies and NQTs in the Lutoin schools), so he knows what he is talking about.
    A job as a CS, TA or HLTA would be good, but of course with so many unemployed teachers around, they are almost harder to get than actual teaching jobs in many cases.
    Just one word of warning.
    Don't be so desperate to start your induction year that you accept a job when your instinct tells you that it is not the right school for you. In my one-to-one sessions I have met some super teachers who have ended up in disastrous situations through no fault of their own, where they have been given difficult classes and little or no support. Your mental and even physical health can suffer in such circumstances.
    You need to have a good feel about the people that you are going to be working with, to want to join their team, and feel sure that they will welcome you.
    Good luck to you all.
    _____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I am timetabled for the October seminars - see you there!
     
  9. ashlaura

    ashlaura Occasional commenter

    Hi Lily
    I am a teacher with 7 years of primary experience and having moved house, I have found it difficult to find a job in the SE even though I have taught across the whole of KS2 . However, you must not give up and change career yet.Keep on trying; give as much as you can. Often it is more about the personal relationship between you and the interviewers than exactly what you have to say in the interview, so relax and focus on your personality rather than your lesson plans! Always visit the school first so that you meet the Head in an informal situation,sit with the children at lunch even if you haven't been asked to and be nice to the school secretary. Make sure you ask intelligent questions when you walk around the school and comment ( favourably) on everything!!! Flatter them....

    Good luck!
     
  10. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    AshLaura makes some good points, but which are mainly relevant to primary schools, not secondaries.
    _____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I am timetabled for the October seminars - see you there!
     
  11. It's like I was reading my own feelings and I'm relieved in some way, that somewhere, someone knows what I'm going on about, one tough Pgce year, one rough final placement and 7 interviews later... I still haven't started supply teaching but any morning now, will be ready to jump in and sail the boat and think it's just a matter of days to get used to being flexible and I've been told the amount of experience you get out of it is invaluable. I would say, chin up and it really sounds like youve put so much effort into your pgce year and the interviews, it would be a shame to throw your dreams away of passing induction year and doing what you know you love best! I find keeping self esteem and health high (little things that make you feel good about yourself), will definitely shine in interviews, just try and keep a fresh mind to it all and wish you all the best.
     
  12. I was in a similar position to you, including doing an MFL course, except I kept being told I didnt have enough experience so they went for the person with more experience. 1 year on of supply and despite being accepted to an NQT pool this year I still havent heard anything- in fact that particular pool I never heard from after being told I had been accepted for it! I have spent the last year on supply and I wouldnt change it for the world, as I can see changes in myself for the better and I have had a lot of expereinces that my friends who started their induction straight away didn't get. I know it feels awful to not have a job straight away, and it's really disheartening to have to go into supply but I honestly think it's the best thing that happened to me, as you get such a varied experience doing day to day supply.
    good luck in finding a job
     
  13. Hello Lilly,
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    </font>I am based in the SE and I am in the exact same situation as
    you are. The only difference is that I am a secondary Design & Technology
    Teacher, for this specialism the competition is very, very fierce.
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    </font>I have signed up with four Agencies and I have been doing
    supply since last September, first as an unqualified teacher then as a
    qualified one. It is the only way that I have been able to get any experience
    since the end of my degree. I don&rsquo;t drive either and I am a slave to public
    transport to get around, but on the upside you can use your time on the train
    or bus to mark or plan work (if on long term supply.)
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    </font>Doing supply will greatly increase your Class craft,
    confidence and teaching ability. It has for me.
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    </font>Something will arrive when you least expect it.
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  14. lily_w

    lily_w New commenter

    Reading back over this thread (which I posted this time last year) has shown me how important it is to stay positive and never give up. I was really down when I wrote the original post. It felt like I was never going to get anywhere. In the end, I decided to keep trying. I ended up getting a Christmas job in a high street shop (as I was so bored of sitting in the house feeling bored and sad.) I loved it there and it was exactly what I needed - I was out meeting new people, feeling like I was doing something worthwhile with my day and it built up my confidence. When my Christmas temp contract ended in January, I decided to continue applying for teaching jobs (new year, new start) and the first interview I went to in the new year, I was successful.

    I couldn't believe it. After having no luck in the teaching job market from March to January, it felt unreal. I took the job and worked in a school teaching Year 6 from February to July and in May, I was offered another position at their other school which they have academised with. So I WILL complete my NQT year and it what it took was determination and someone to give me a chance.

    The support on this forum really made a difference. It gave me back my positivity when I felt like giving up. For all the people in the same situation I was in, never give up. Just look at the problem from a different angle, stay determined and you'll get there in the end. Someone will see something in you. Good luck with applying, it will get easier :)
     
  15. Hello
    I was in a similar position. I applied for 440 jobs (not all teaching posts obviously) over the space of a year. Had no more than 10 interview offers. One feedback was your powerpoint was one minute to long, and this is why we cannot give you the job. I always asked for feedback, and you could tell they were scratching around for answers. In some cases i suspect i was interviewed just to ensure HR purposes were satisfied. I spent eight months working night shifts,after completing my PGCE and attending interviews, was offered the opportunity to teach for free after several interviews to gain experience. Politely told them no. As i was not going to do an eight hour night shift, then stroll into a classroom and teach, for free.
    In the end i was offered a post in Work Based Learning. I throughly enjoy it. There are some where in the region 50,000 teachers that are in non teaching posts (if my memory of an article serves me correctly, and there is 3 million unemployed, so for you to get 7 interviews is amazing. You will get there in the end.
     
  16. bobbycatrules

    bobbycatrules New commenter

    Your time will come. I qualified 5 years ago and I've just been offered my first permanent post. I lived off supply very well for 5 years - there is work to be had- and I will miss supply very much. It's not all bad.
     
  17. Hi Lily
    Thanks for the update!
    I'm so pleased that things have changed for the better for you and that our posts helped you (I posted to you under a different username and have subsequently had the account deleted)!
    Lots of luck for the future!
     
  18. This is amazing! Well done on getting the job!

    I am currently at home feeling exactly the same as you did. Facebook is covered wall to wall (excuse the pun) about my new class and how I cut myself laminating upteem resources. I makes me feel very sad knowing that I do not have a job for September. But I keep on applying, bombarding Agents with my CV for jobs that I am not sure even exist .... I have had 4 interviews where I was told they really liked me but a more experienced person got the job, very irkesome. I was wondering, are there any chances of a job for Sept now?
     
  19. S-MFL

    S-MFL New commenter

    I just read through the thread and I am in that position, I'm doing my best to remain positive, and your message is giving me hope. It's very much what I need to hear right now.
     
  20. I thought I would bump this thread as I think it's such an uplifting thread for those still searching. I feel exactly how you did right now and I am constantly trying to tell myself to stay positive. I have been extremely lucky to get a lot of supply work (around 15-16 days since the start of September) so far and I cannot believe how much it has improved my confidence and given me so much experience. Though, I am yearning for a teaching job so much now. I have an interview at a school I do regular supply work for with a class I already know and I really, really want it but I'm already starting to doubt myself and I dread the feeling of not getting it and just feeling exactly the same until the next job comes along. At the moment I just feel like nobody is giving me a chance. I have so much to give - I will give my life and soul for a teaching job and to provide the best education for children but I've not been given the chance yet. I really, really hope that I get this job but who knows.
     

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