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Department problem

Discussion in 'Heads of department' started by Caymem, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Caymem

    Caymem New commenter

    Hi we have a department problem can you help.

    We currently have 5 members of full time staff, 2 part time staff which works 2-3 days a week and a supply teacher, TA which helps to cover for the days where the part time teachers aren't there.

    As a department we said it is not fair for the TA to be covering for the part time teacher 2 days a week, we also said it is not fair for the supply teacher to cover for 3 days a week in the same subject, we spoke to the cover teacher and she said she would rather cover different classes all the time and the TA said that they don't really want to have the teaching responsibilities. So what do we do?

    Our plan is to try and get the TA and supply teacher back to doing the job they first applied for. Don't you think that is fair?.

    To be able to get them back doing the jobs they applied for we need to redo the timetable but won't have enough staff for all the lessons. So do we combine smaller classes together making bigger classes so we can then have enough staff to cover them, do we ask the part time teachers to work across the week to cover some of the groups we need covering and then split the rest between other staff or what do we do?

    I am in a bit of a pickle here. I only have till Friday 16th August to come up with some solutions for this so any suggestions will be helpfull and taken into consideration.
  2. thejudgesscoresarein

    thejudgesscoresarein Occasional commenter

    Does the TA have QTS? If not, then they should not be teaching anyway. That’s your first problem sorted! If they do, speak to HR and see if it’s within their contract to teach lessons?

    In regards to the cover teacher, they are used to cover absent teachers- where it seems to me there is a shortage in your department, so it is perfectly reasonable that they teach the lessons in your department- irrespective of whether they want to or not. Therefore, this should solve your problem. Is the cover/supply teacher employed by the agency or the school? If it’s the former then have you spoken to the HT about offering them permanent employment in the school?
  3. Caymem

    Caymem New commenter

    The TA doesn't have a QTS I'm afraid.

    The cover teacher is employed by the school. I have just had an idea she'll I ask the cover teacher to cover the work of the TA which means giving them a full timetable in my department. If I did this then I would only have a group or 2 or give to other stuff which is possible todo. What do you think? What should I do?
  4. Robfreeman

    Robfreeman Occasional commenter

    I'd suggest getting a long term supply who is a subject specialist to cover and justify it explaining it as we have subject specialist who can follow the sow and differentiate as appropriate and provide consistency for the studennts
  5. Caymem

    Caymem New commenter

    Shell I see if the cover teacher wants to take on the.TAs work making her have a full time timetable in our department
  6. Robfreeman

    Robfreeman Occasional commenter

    If they are a supply teacher and willing to take on the additional days thats a good plan if the school has the budget. It's unfair to have a ta teach unless they are a hlta as you asking someone who isn't trained to take a massive leap outside of their probable comfort zone.

    The issue is if the supply is an internal cover supervisor it's possible they are less trained or equally trained as the ta and therefore it would be unfair to expect them to plan and mark as that's not their job role.
  7. Caymem

    Caymem New commenter

    The supply is a fully trained teacher and is willing to take on extra days teaching if it means the TA doesn't cover as they aren't qualified for it. If the SLT doesn't agree with my idea then what do I do?
  8. Robfreeman

    Robfreeman Occasional commenter

    I'd be amazed if they don't. As your essentially providing a qualified specialist for a class rather than an unqualified ta.
  9. Caymem

    Caymem New commenter

    So would u rather I covered the classes with the cover teacher all week rather then with the TA?
  10. gruoch

    gruoch Occasional commenter

    What do you have against supply teachers?
  11. Caymem

    Caymem New commenter

    Nothing, I dont think they should have 100% of a groups responsibility.
  12. Robfreeman

    Robfreeman Occasional commenter

    That's what you pay them for, that's why cover supervisors have lower rates than supply teachers
  13. Tinyreader

    Tinyreader New commenter

    If you don’t think they should have 100% responsibility, don’t give them 100% responsibility! Assuming that that you are actually acting head of maths as well as a computing teacher despite apparently having no knowledge of how to teach/ manage either - allocate groups so that they are split across teachers and supply/internal cover.

    Is the supply teacher maths trained? If not, can you allocate the ta to their classes?
  14. Caymem

    Caymem New commenter

    Thanks for this?

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