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Dear Theo - TES seminars another waste of money?

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by supply slave, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. Ah Theo despite all your excellent words of wisdom on this forum I see an awful problem. NQT'S have maxed their overdraft, unemployed and supply teachers have no money as JSA will not stretch to the cost and, worst of all, each applicant could have attended the same seminar and so will have got the same advice/ideas - there are simply not enough jobs to go round. Is it not time to stop providing this service? (sic) as it will surely end up giving false hope to all the desperate unemployed teachers. This will not sound good to the private equity owners of TES who may, but hopefully not, take this post down. After all let's say 50 people attend at a cost of £55 that means a total £2750 - not a bad return on their investment.
     
  2. Ah Theo despite all your excellent words of wisdom on this forum I see an awful problem. NQT'S have maxed their overdraft, unemployed and supply teachers have no money as JSA will not stretch to the cost and, worst of all, each applicant could have attended the same seminar and so will have got the same advice/ideas - there are simply not enough jobs to go round. Is it not time to stop providing this service? (sic) as it will surely end up giving false hope to all the desperate unemployed teachers. This will not sound good to the private equity owners of TES who may, but hopefully not, take this post down. After all let's say 50 people attend at a cost of £55 that means a total £2750 - not a bad return on their investment.
     
  3. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    No. For sure it helped me to get my dream job.
    Why? We all know there are few vacancies out there. Seminars like this are to maximise your chance of getting:
    a) an interview and
    b) the job!
    If you are a good teacher, well qualified, experienced..............whatever!................you need to truly stand out.
    Oh, and I doubt 50 ever attend at one time. For one the allocated room in TES HQ will not hold that amount and secondly, when I attended there were around 10 of us. So that's £550.....probably just about covers runnings costs I'd say. Hardly profiteering.
    Supply slave you sound very bitter!
     
  4. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    Oh dear...The one I went to had about a dozen or so people as well. Haven't got a post on the back of it yet, but that would be because I've not applied for any other similar posts since (and no Theo's advice did not put me off!) due to things changing in my own school. But the things learned, including the odd throwaway remark, will definitely stand me in good stead later this year and made me realise why I'd not been successful in an interview shortly before attending (though I had a very good idea already).

    As it happens a colleague and I are both due to go to another workshop (or whatever they are called) later this term. Not by Theo, but still part of the TES professional development thingy. Works out cheaply for our HT who can send both of us for less money that it would normally cost for one of us to attend in school time, and of course we don't miss contact with our class.

    Yeps and people in that frame of mind often read things into situations that are not there.
     
  5. dominant_tonic

    dominant_tonic Established commenter

    1) NQTs have indeed maxed their overdraft etc. All the more reason to pull out every stop and get a job.
    2) JSA doesn't stretch that far,but as I have just paid 90 quid to register with the teaching council, Theos fees don't seem much different. It certainly gives me no social life and no petrol for the next fortnight, but these things can be done.
    3) each applicant could have atended - could have. If there were five interviewees for a post, how many of them are likely to have attended? One, maybe two at the outside. And all the more reason to go, I suppose you would be happy being at a disadvantage if the other four had gone and you had not?
    It is expensive, I know. But I am saving as my applications are not going well, and I wish I didn't have to pay the train fare into London, as it just adds to the expense as I was saying in a previous thread. But I am slowly changing my mind and considering that it is the way forward. I know I am awful at interviews (put money on it being a welsh valleys thing - happier to talk myself down than up. It feels very alien to talk yourself up :)).
    On a simple case of supply and demand, Theo et.al would not be providing the service if people did not use it, and people would not use it if it doesn't work. There are seminars where the numbers are limited to 12. 12 people attending at a charge of 55 pounds each, gives a total of 660 pounds. Fairly reasonable I would say. There are also, in fairness tiered ways finance-wise to access the service.
    I was unconviced of the service, and wary of the expense because as you say, on just over 200 pounds a month, it is a big chunk. But after reading BelleduJour saying how it had helped her, I am going to do my utmost. She struck me anyway as a confident, together type of person, and if she can benefit from Theos advice, then I definitely can.
    I need all the hope I can get thank you very much, especially when encountering negativity in its legions on here. If Theo can provide it, then why not try. There are more intelligent people out there than me, better teachers than me, those with more experience than me , and those who interview brilliantly. On the other hand, I am far from the worse, and all help is gratefully received.
    I don't think you are in a place to criticise until you have used this service, and found it to be giving you false hope.
    I'll keep you posted when my money amasses enough :)

     
  6. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Well, I dunno.
    Take a day off the Forum because new baby grand-daughter is born (Thank you, thank you - all my own work, don't you know [​IMG]), and come back to Supply Slave feeling very down in the mouth.
    Nope. No reason for them to - it doesn't contravene the Terms and Conditions. They aren't in the business of censorship, just maintaining a civilised environment.
    Nope. As others have said, we aim to have anything from 12 to 18 people only at the seminars, to enable people to have a say, ask questions, etc. Or like Belle, sit there winking at me.
    Nope. First of all you have to take the VAT off (and I think it's £60, not £55). Then the cost of Security and administration. And the cost of the Star Speakers [​IMG]. The coffee and biscuits. The heating/ lighting/ air-con. The hand-outs. Etc. Etc.
    And do you know how much an Inset day normally costs? A full-day course, including VAT, normally runs at about £250 - £300. So even £100 for the TES half days would be a bargain.
    Just curious - what investment are you talking about? And what, therefore, is the rate of return on this investment that you are talking about? I do hope that you aren't looking for a job as a teacher of either Economics or Business Studies!
    What the seminars do is show you how to emphasise your own particular strengths. We give the ideas, the suggestions and the techniques. How you implement them, what your basic material is (i.,e. who you are) will be different for each candidate. We do NOT give you Example Letters or Model Answers that 18 people will go away and repeat in an application or interview.
    How daft would that be?
    In the same spirit, would you just suggest that unemployed teachers stopped looking for and applying for jobs, as that gives them hope too?
    And reasonable hope too, although no guarantee. I have actually had this week e-mails from 5 people who have met me on these courses, telling me about their first week in their new job. And thanking me, saying that attendance at the course made all the difference. Taking the trouble to contact me about that.
    Next Win That Teaching Job is 24th September.
    8th October there is a seminar on Moving into SLT.
    See the link below for more details of these.
    Cheer up, Supply Slave! I think that changing your on-line name might help you - no wonder you feel so depressed with a name like that.
    ____________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars
     
  7. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Shhhhhhhhhh......Theo! That's was meant to be our secret! [​IMG]
     
  8. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Thank you DT for that compliment.
    I have to say, up until the Workshop I thought I knew all about job applications and interviews, being an experienced teacher who had held a number of posts, and never struggled to get shortlisted/appointed.
    However, times have indeed changed and for an exerienced (aka expensive) teacher to get appointed I truly HAD to stand out from the crowd, especially as many of the crowd were cheaper than me.
    This workshop completley changed my approach to letters of application (personal statements) and the whole shebang! Even changed my interview technique. I was fortunate to have an interview the week after the workshop, and although not appointed (was not my subject specialism, other candidate was) I was highly praised for my interview. That in itself gave me the confidence to carry on knocking at more doors.......and one opened.
    VERY true words.
    Incdentally, I was on supply when I went on the seminar and used Key to offset my expenses. Whilst they would not accept the course fee as expenses, they did allow me to offset the cost of my train fare and lunch.
     
  9. Congratulations on your granddaughter, Theo.
    I'm not bitter as I am employed in a full time HOD role. However I would be lying if I said some of the same things supply slave has said haven't crossed my mind in the past. I certainly don't wish to be offensive with that comment.
     
  10. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Firstly congratulations Theo on that new grandchild!
    In Theo's defense, I believe he is a consultant to the TES application service and is truly doing his bit to help the unemployed teachers get work and the right attitude to today's job market.
    If I thought there was a remote possiblity of any jobs coming up any when soon, I would certainly be applying asI believe we can all learn and sometimes it takes an outsider to spot something we ourselves do not!
     
  11. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    I've been wondering a bit about this thread. Should all seminars be banned or just Theo's? Should no-one ever attend training? Should ITTs stop providing application advice because they do turn out 150 student teachers (potential NQTs) all applying in the same area with the same identikit application.

    And my school paid for my last one, even though it was one to help me get a different job...yes I was surprised, but hey ho!

    School is also paying for the next one, cheap at the price!
     
  12. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Our O.P. Supply Slave has now had second thoughts about what he wrote originally.
    It's always good when someone realises they got something a tad wrong, and says so, so Well Done to Supply Slave!
    Dear Theo - oops sorry
    Best wishes
    _____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars
    I am timetabled for the October Moving into SLT or Headship seminars - see you there!
     
  13. I'd quite like to come to one of these seminars, but money is very tight. £60 for the seminar, plus they are in London which means either a return train journey (about £50) or a very long drive.
    Are there any outside of London, in maybe Manchester or Leeds?
     
  14. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    If you are in a post, your school may well pay for the course. Coaches tend to be cheaper than trains.
     
  15. I'm currently unemployed so would have to pay for it myself.
    Yes, the coach is much cheaper but takes three times as long, which means either a ridiculously early start or a late finish. Workshops outside of London would be more convenient.
     
  16. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    I agree with you on this one, but not on an alternative location. Leeds or Manchester would be worse for me!
     
  17. Perhaps they could tour around the country as a "TES Roadshow"?!
     
  18. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    I know that the TES are considering Manchester as an alternative, so watch this space!
    Best wishes
    _____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars
    I am timetabled for the October Moving into SLT or Headship seminars - see you there!
     

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