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Dear Theo - Seventh interview - seventh rejection

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by Ozzie777, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. Ozzie777

    Ozzie777 New commenter

    I have put in 30 applications for different secondary and sixth form jobs and have managed to be invited to eight interviews (another one tomorrow). I know that this is a pretty good ratio by all accounts, but I am wondering what I am doing wrong not to have had a job offer out of this lot.

    I am losing confidence now and am beginning to wonder whether it is worth persuing my dream of teaching any more. I am an NQT (finished in June). Cynically I am also wondering if I am being invited to interview so that employers can show that they are interviewing a diverse range of candidates (I am in my late 40s and fill in "White - Other" on the equal opportunities forms).

    I have done a one-2-one session with TES.

    Any thoughts please?
     
  2. Hoping2012

    Hoping2012 New commenter

    It is good you have been invited to many interviews. One good practice is call the school back and ask them why you were not successful on this occasion. The school should inform you, as this will help with future interviews.
    When i finished training it took almost a year to get a job, and i was lucky to be called to one interview and got the job.
    While you are waiting to get a job, do supply work, as this may help you put the foot through the door. Also through supply work sometimes long term positions come along, and if the school agree then you can start your NQT year.
    You will get a job, its just a matter of time.
    Hope this helps
     
  3. You poor thing. What's your subject?
    Ehh. I don't have the answers. I'm in an LSA role now so am not randomly applying for ANYTHING now, only ones I really fancy, and I think the wider experience is helping me. E.g. I am trained for 5-11, but I spent some months doing supply and taught 3-11 so now I can talk about how this really wide experience makes me a more effective differentiator, etc. Also I think being a secondary LSA is helping me in getting shortlisted, because I spin it to talk about it as 'extended INSET' (pretty sure I nicked that off Theo!) and how I'm learning from these subject specialists and have a much clearer idea of effective deployment of other adults, etc. Are you in a position to be able to consider LSA/Cover Supervisor roles?
    It sounds stupid but are there any other ways you can broaden your experience? I understand because you're a bit older than me, you'll have responsibilities an' that, but I considered helping out at Sunday School or at Brownies/Rainbows/Guides. Maybe I still should! Bit scared of all them outdoor pursuits, though!
    Huge sympathy, anyway. Have a beer this evening x
     
  4. Ozzie777

    Ozzie777 New commenter

    Many thanks Lilybett and Hoping.

    My subjects are IT/ICT/Economics/Business Studies/Psychology - my PGCE was in IT, but I have qualifications in all these subjects (with the exception of IT/ICT which is experienced based) and have had interviews for each subject.

    The LSA/cover supervisor roles might be a good approach - I hadn't considered those.

    Sunday School and youth work are what sparked my interest in teaching - although no longer involved in either.
     
  5. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Ozzie, don't let your lack of success so far get to you. You are getting interviewed and competition is so fierce at present, you're doing well and I doubt ticking a box for over 40, White/other counts for what it used to, schools can afford to be really picky choosing who to interview. Hang on to that!
    If you consider, schools are mini-communities who can choose who fits best into them. It may be the one for your 'best fit' just hasn't had a vacancy yet.
     
  6. As per, Lara is right! When I think back to how upset I was not to get allll the other jobs I applied for, I think I was mad. Well, it's impossible not to be at the time, BUT I think it's true: things fall into place. You know when you find somewhere you'll definitely love - and somewhere that'll love you back! x
     
  7. Hi Ozzie, I was in the same situation a few years ago, applied for countless jobs and got invited to interviews, but somehow was always pipped at the post. It was hard work, but I got there in the end. I have had three posts since then, so keep your chin up and keep plugging away, it is tough, but our job is worth it (most of the time).
     
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Partly, Ozzie, it is the general situation. It's just hard to get a job.
    8 interviews out of 30 applications is not bad going, as you are aware. But it's the frustration of being so close, and not getting it, time after time.
    I actually don't remember a male 40+ white - other person coming to a 1-2-1 with me. Possibly a sign of my advancing age. Was it for interview training?
    All I can say is: be sure of what your key strengths are, what are the things about you that make appointing you a great idea for the school. And then ensure that you tell them that!
    Very best of wishes for tomorrow.
    ___________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars
    I am timetabled for the October 22nd Win that teaching job seminars - see you there!
     
  9. Ozzie777

    Ozzie777 New commenter

    Now up to 8 interviews, 8 rejections :-( Good feedback but beaten by someone with more classroom and exam marking experience. This seems almost impossible to get a job in sixth form where I don't have a proven track record if I am up against someone who does. I delivered a well planned lesson in which the students made progress and said they enjoyed (not to me, but the interview panel). The successful candidate over-ran on his lesson and apparently wouldn't stop when told he had run out of time "as he hadn't achieved what he needed". Surely there must be some value in being able to run a tight, well organised and planned lesson! It seems somewhat short sighted of schools and colleges not to invest in less experienced teachers - I guess that is the problem of the results driven environment we live in. . Theo, you won't remember me because my session was with Richard Colwell. I think that you weren't taking clients or were away.
     
  10. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    I'm sorry that number 8 wasn't your lucky number after all. Sickening for you.
    Ah - at least my brain isn't swirling away with the wine . . .
    Yes, I think that you are correct that the Sixth Form experience - or lack of it - can be a drawback. The lack of exam marking experience can be remedied, of course; if you contact the board and get signed up now for the summer, you can mention it in an application.
    And have you considered schools without sixth forms?
    There are a number of girls schools (indy) which don't have sixth forms. You are applying for indy jobs too, aren't you? You have done JobAlerts for all your subjects, and then doubled them by doing the same subjects in indy schools? How To at top of Forum. Indy schools CAN let you do NQT induction.
    Hope you feel better about this by tomorrow.
    ___________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars
    I am timetabled for the October 22nd Win that teaching job seminars - see you there!
     
  11. Ozzie777

    Ozzie777 New commenter

    Thanks for your response Theo. Yes - I have been applying for jobs at the independents as well (7th interview was my first with an independent). To be honest, if I was offered a job without NQT induction or timetable reduction I would take it at this stage. I have been applying for jobs in secondaries - but I am limited to ICT for those. I can offer Economics, Psychology, IT and Business Studies at sixth form. (PS. How do I get paragraph breaks in my posts - I put them in, but when I post the message they disappear?)
     
  12. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    So it is just Pick Yourself Up, Dust Yourself Down, and Start All Over Again, I'm afraid. I really do wish i had a magic wand here . . .
    Don't use Google Chrome or anything produced under the sign of Saint Jobs. :)
    Kind regards
    ___________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    www.tes.co.uk/careerseminars
    I am timetabled for the October 22nd Win that teaching job seminars - see you there!
     

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