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Dear Theo - HOD wants to go back as a class teacher - too expensive?

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by PerfidiaBlackheart, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. Dear Theo, (and everyone else - all advice will be most gratefully received!!) I very much appreciate your advice. I am currently half way through a career break and am looking for jobs from September. I've been qualified for 10 years and for 5 years I was a HOD in a challenging school having risen through the ranks. I have never worked in another school.I love teaching but I wanted to try some different things before it was too late and a mortgage reared its ugly head! Having been to be promoted so quickly, as a second and then HOD, I feel I want to go back to being a classroom teacher. Teaching is the bit I'm good at and why I got into the job in the first place. In all my observations I have come out as outstanding and I've led training on teaching and learning for staff and outside of school. The bit I was never so keen on was the pressure of being in charge. However, my main concern is am I too expensive now? I've been through threshold and would be on UP3. Would I even be considered given that there are so many NQTs out there all vying for the same jobs? I would be willing to negotiate pay and take a reasonable pay cut to get back to the job I love but am I even allowed to do this? I'm all a bit confused and part of me feels that I should be going for HOD jobs because that's what level I'm at but I really dread the idea! Thanks for any help!!!
     
  2. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Not Theo, I'm afraid, he will no doubt pop along later. I think he is only supposed to come on here 2-3 times a week, though if Mrs TG isn't around he does tend to pop in much more regularly than that- being the nice supportive person he is.
    So, for my 'two pennies worth'. Yes I think it will be difficult for someone who's gone through threshold and is on UP3 to return to being a clasroom teacher, though not impossible, some posters have gained posts, just more difficult.
    Are you Secondary or Primary, as that might make a difference. Secondary specialists might have more in their school budget than Primaries who just need good all rounders.
    Unfortunately you can't negotiate your pay- I investigated this some years back. However with the growth of Academies who can set their own pay and conditions, things may be slightly more flexible and I expect national pay scales may well disappear over the next 10 years. (Though I may be wrong on that, just my opinion .)
    i know you've had a career break and the thought of returning to teaching may seem slighlty scary as you've been out of things awhile, but it will be like riding a bike- it will probably come back quite easily.
    For me it would depend on how long you've been absent from school. School have changed enormously over the past few years in terms of rigour, data collection and analysis etc and you need to update yourself in that area if you've been away a while. read articles here, latest government policies/ strategies etc. All will come in useful should you succeed in achieving that interview.
    If there's some finances you may well benefit from one of Theo's 1-to-1 or group sessions to help you sort out your application.
    Best of luck with it all.
     
  3. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    The stupid system of schools running their budgets and having to cut their cloth to suit their purse does indeed mean that sometimes a NQT is appointed rather than an experienced teacher, I'm afraid. False economy - payscale movement means the NQT will catch up with you eventually, and although I have appointed very many extremely good NQTs in my time, a proven outstanding teacher is much better.
    So, two points here: your application must emphasise from the very first paragraph (well, the second, as the first will just say "Here is my application" or words to that effect) that you have been assessed time after time as outstanding.
    The second point is: do not ignore the independent sector, who can often afford to appoint only the best irregardless of cost.
    No,you are not allowed to - the unions have got that tied up. Another stupid situation: you want the job, would accept it at M4. The school wants to appoint you, can only afford M4. So they have to turn you down, lose you, and appoint their second choice who is cheaper. And you are left with no job. Both parties disappointed.
    Barmy.
    We have examples on here, however, of people going back after a career break, and on UPS, so don't think that it isn't possible. Just make sure that your application really showcases your skills.
    <h3>Application form help needed!! </h3>Best wishes
    _______________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I shall be doing the Moving into Headship or SLT seminar on Saturday 17th March.
    www.tesweekendworkshop90.eventbrite.com
     
  4. Hi!
    Thanks for your reply. I've only been out of the system since last July and am not too far behind with data analysis and I'm secondary so hopefully that will count for something! Fingers crossed because I've seen a couple of god ones exactly where I'd like to be...

    Thanks again!
     
  5. Hello Theo,

    It does indeed seem like a barmy system when you can't take a job because you can't take a pay cut!

    Thanks for the advice about the letter. I'll go straight in with my experience, feels almost daft to have taken the year out now! Hopefully a school will have me.

    Thanks again!
     
  6. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Not really that stupid - it's there to protect experienced teachers from heads who might say, 'We'll offer you the job, but only at M1'.
    I'm afraid the scenario I suggest is exactly what would/will happen (I say 'will' because it looks as if we're heading that way, with Gove looking at schols determining their own pay and academies/free schools beginning to do so already). Stand by for all teachers being faced with the lowest pay each school feels it can get away with.
     
  7. Hi Middlemarch,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I know the system is there to protect all teachers and I respect and was an active member of my union. It's just frustrating that they system perhaps pushes people into management when they might not want it (or indeed be particularly good at it in some cases) just to ensure their continued employment. Maybe a graduated payscale where you could be paid between certain payment points depending on negotiation would work? Just an idea.
     
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    All posters should note that this is a very unusual situation.
    Normally Middlemarch and I agree so much that some people have wondered if we are twins!
    But this is the one area where we agree to differ.
    [​IMG]
    Let us know how it goes.
    Best wishes
    _______________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I shall be doing the Moving into Headship or SLT seminar on Saturday 17th March.
    www.tesweekendworkshop90.eventbrite.com
     
  9. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

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    Best wishes
    _______________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I shall be doing the Moving into Headship or SLT seminar on Saturday 17th March.
    www.tesweekendworkshop90.eventbrite.com
     
  10. Hi!

    I just wanted to say thanks for all the advice - it worked as I got a job! Classroom teacher on my previous pay scale in a growing school so opportunities for progression in further years!

    Thanks again!
     

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