Montiagh, your 13 yrs experience shows that GBs can function well by treating all governors equally, following procedure and commonsense and thus avoid SG exclusions. However, I suspect that a survey would show that where SGs are excluded, they are repeatedly excluded. For interest, when (as you say in a previous postings) you challenged the then chairs decision and weak clerk tio exlcude SGs, were you a parent governor by any chance? I ask because I suspect parent governors are more likely to have a stronger sense of accountability and have a higher regard for the SGs. Just a thought..