1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Hi Guest, welcome to the TES Community!

    Connect with like-minded education professionals and have your say on the issues that matter to you.

    Don't forget to look at the how to guide.

    Dismiss Notice

Dear Sage, Negotiating pay...

Discussion in 'NQTs and new teachers' started by beckythemadcow, May 2, 2012.

  1. Dear Sage,

    I have just accepted a post in an Academy School opening in September for my induction year. I am very aware that there will be an extra workload for me, for several reasons:

    1. I will be the only Physics teacher (they originally were looking for a Head of Physics but did not manage to appoint anyone suitable)

    2. Therefore will take most of the responsibility for WRITING SoWs

    3. There are a greater number of lessons per week than a "normal school" and I will be teaching more than a non- NQT teacher, although still maintaining 20% PPA time.

    I think I am in a good position to negotiate pay, do you and does anyone have any suggestions of what I should aim for? And how should I go about this?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Dear Sage,

    I have just accepted a post in an Academy School opening in September for my induction year. I am very aware that there will be an extra workload for me, for several reasons:

    1. I will be the only Physics teacher (they originally were looking for a Head of Physics but did not manage to appoint anyone suitable)

    2. Therefore will take most of the responsibility for WRITING SoWs

    3. There are a greater number of lessons per week than a "normal school" and I will be teaching more than a non- NQT teacher, although still maintaining 20% PPA time.

    I think I am in a good position to negotiate pay, do you and does anyone have any suggestions of what I should aim for? And how should I go about this?

    Thanks!
     
  3. Crowbob

    Crowbob Senior commenter

    You can try but pay is normally discussed between being offered a job and accepting it.
     
  4. Thanks, I have verbally accepted it as it was offered in person, but have not seen the contract yet. I do realise that the verbal agreement is binding but was advised by someone (who has negotiated M2 instead of M1) to wait until the offer letter is received to negotiate. Woops!
     
  5. GloriaSunshine

    GloriaSunshine New commenter

    Do you have previous teaching experience? If not, I can't see that you are "in a good position to negotiate pay", especially after accepting the post. Lots of teachers, including NQTs plan SOW and there are plenty available online so that's not really a bargaining tool. And, while you may be teaching more lessons than some NQTs in schools that are not Academies, that doesn't entitle you to more pay. That said, you have nothing to lose by asking, except that you may be expected to do more than other NQTs in the school if you are treated differently. This really is something that you should have raised at interview.
     
  6. OK thanks. There are no other NQTs yet appointed, as they didn't really want to hire any. I have worked out I would be teaching 23.3 hours which is more than a normal teacher without any responsibilities, let alone an NQT. I guess I over-estimated my bargaining position and have left it too late. I appreciate the input.
     
  7. bobbycatrules

    bobbycatrules New commenter

    Not likely in the current climate.
     
  8. Hi
    Generally pay negotiations, as noted above, are done at interview, for example when they say, do you have any questions.
    As a physicist you are in a good position to seek higher pay, but ber careful that the school do not see it as you trying to 'blackmail' them due to their problems in getting a specialist. DSo also ensure that induction is agreed as part of the job as the new induction guidance makes it clear that legally academies do not have to offer induction. If the school is pushed they could decide not to offer induction and your timetable could go up and support/mentoring not provided, but saying that I would hope that any good school would (whether or not they HAVE to by law) offer induction.
    The Sage
     
  9. There is a general expectation that staff write schemes of work and plan their own lessons - writing schemes of work is something you do less of as you gain responsibilities.
     
  10. I assume there is a Head of Science though so administraction etc should fall to them. You may be responsible for the administration of coursework etc for physics but that is the responsibility of all teachers.
    I assume that this isn't a brand new school so surely someone has been teaching some kind of physics before they appointed you? There is likely something already in place that you can adapt. Otherwise being a super rich academy they may buy a published one.
    Are you comparing yourself to a non-NQT in another schoool or in your own academy? How many lessons does your school have a week? You can only base your % teaching on that I'm afraid. So if there are 30 lessons you should get 10% PPA (3 lessons) and 10% NQT (2.7 lessons = 3 lessons) = teaching 24 lessons a week. Gone are the golden days of additional non-contacts I'm afraid.
    I think you have rather missed the boat. The time to negotiate is at the interview not after accepting as you have lost your bargaining position. Best to have a really good year at teaching and see if you can negotiate later on, perhaps taking on the Head of Physics role formally after your NQT.
     

Share This Page