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Dear Headtachers - Why I left teaching - Tips and Advice

Discussion in 'Headteachers' started by claire20000, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. Mrs_Frog

    Mrs_Frog New commenter

    OP, I have read this thread with some interest. Some of the responses and reasoning has made me make some interesting faces shall we say.
    I am not red-brick uni educated, and my degree is not a higher class. I spent a couple of years in the real world before I went into teaching and I am very glad I did. However,it made me realise that I did not want to be in an environment where it was ruthless and people were only interested in lining their own pockets at the expense of those that worked for them. (It was the lowest of the low, recruitment!!!!)
    I have worked with some of the most challenging and vulnerable pupils on the South Coast, I have also worked with some of the loveliest, hardworking and focused young adults in rural Dorset. I am now working with challenging pupils in the home counties.
    The money that I am on is in no way comparable to some of my peers with whom I was at university, and it is also way below others who are not university educated but specialised in their fields. This much I know, and accepted when I went into teaching (a number of years before yourself, my starting salary certainly was not over £20K)
    I would not do a job that entailed sitting in an office for hours at an end, to line other peoples pockets. I could not, it would drive me mad. The atmosphere in the offices I have worked in since leaving uni were toxic, and there were a lot of issues there that would not be tolerated in the schools in which I have worked. These included drug and alcohol abuse that was affecting peoples' health and working relationships, but nothing was done, 'because the money was coming in'.
    The culture of that environment was toxic, but nothing in terms of targets, managing staff, providing training etc was prescribed by government.
    Schools and other educational establishments have training issues, targets and curricula prescribed by government. Complaining about Heads and explaining your reasons for leaving teaching is not going to help anything. Heads do what they are told, in effect, and the Heads are really the wrong people to complain to about why there are retention issues. You would need to go way higher.
    Also, people are peculiar. Simple. Put a group of people together, from different backgrounds, philosophies, beliefs and values, and there will be conflict. Not very much a Head can do about that.
    B x


     
  2. tjra

    tjra Occasional commenter

    You have a 1st in Mathematics from Oxbridge yet think that 2 schools (including 2 placement schools) is a significant sample size to be able to draw reasoned conclusions from? Oh dear!
     
  3. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    ....Not Oxbridge... Claire doesn't rate either of those universities.....
     
  4. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    So they must be ****. I bet the Oxbridge Deans are devastated, nay suicidal.
     
  5. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Something that no other poster has mentioned - is the O.P. a native English speaker? I mean the tenses are all wrong:
    And where it isn't actually an incorrect tense, it is a turn of phrase that is not typical of native speakers:
    But - and here I must confess to my weakness - the bit that i really, really enjoyed reading was:
    Oh yeh?
    Best wishes. Theo Griff B.A. Hons (Class I); M.A.; PhD; DipRSA, and always tried damned hard to be a good teacher despite being disadvantaged by all these qualifications.
    _______________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I shall be doing the Win That Teaching Job seminar on Saturday February 25th, and also the Moving into Headship or SLT seminar on Saturday 18th February
    www.tesweekendworkshop87.eventbrite.com
    www.tesweekendworkshop82.eventbrite.com
     
  6. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    Claire - Don't you dare accept the honorary degree they were going to offer you for services to business..... Stand your ground and make your point I say.... :p
     
  7. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    Griff... What did you do your Phd in, just out of curiosity?
     
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    The Picaresque Novel in France and Spain between (Date 1 that I cannot remember) and (Date 2 that I have forgotten).
    Really useful stuff, eh, and at the taxpayer's expense those 40-odd years ago!
    Best wishes
    _______________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I shall be doing the Win That Teaching Job seminar on Saturday February 25th, and also the Moving into Headship or SLT seminar on Saturday 18th February
    www.tesweekendworkshop87.eventbrite.com
    www.tesweekendworkshop82.eventbrite.com
     
  9. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Oh I'm sure "she" will bring the "woman" of principle she clearly is. I mean, when the going got tough, "she" bugggered off back to the big money and flash cars. How can state schools survive without such a brilliant role model?
    Curly FRSST, BEd (hons) MEd, NPQH, Gold swimming award, cycling proficiency, Diploma in dyslexia studies, Skate UK level 7, St johns ambulance 4 day first aid cert, safer recruitment graduate, epipen, buccal medazelam and insulin administration certificate , super mum award (as awarded by the family of CG) don't think I've missed anything out but it's hard to remember.
     
  10. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    Excellent. I am not going to google that and edumacate myself.... **educate is deliberately spelt incorrectly for affect...
     
  11. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    The irony of that post will be totally lost on "Claire".
     
  12. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Darra, darra!
    I forget the Darning award in Cubs. I got a badge for it!
    Best wishes
    _______________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I shall be doing the Win That Teaching Job seminar on Saturday February 25th, and also the Moving into Headship or SLT seminar on Saturday 18th February
    www.tesweekendworkshop87.eventbrite.com
    www.tesweekendworkshop82.eventbrite.com
     
  13. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Oh Theo, is that because my list was longer than yours? [​IMG]
     
  14. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    I came second in a county cross country running thing when I was 15. It taught me that running long distances against the wind would only ever secure me a small mock bronze medal... and inspired me to learn to drive....
     
  15. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    I'm always saying at work, we learn as much, if not more, when things don't go as well as we hoped as when they do.
     
  16. RossOnderbrook

    RossOnderbrook New commenter

    I bet none of you can ride a unicycle.
     
  17. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    That's impressive!!
    .... At least if you get fed up and want to leave teaching you have the option to perhaps run away with a circus! :)
     
  18. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Why yes!
    I agree ENTIRELY with what Claire says, because it is to my advantage to agree with her since it makes me a better teacher than someone with loads of certificates.
    You wouldn't expect me to take an objective view, assess the opposing sides, weigh up evidence, evaluate the views presented by others, and then come to a balanced conclusion?
    If I had done that, it might have devalued my Darning Badge as an indicator of excellence in the classroom.
    No, no, I go every time for agreeing with people who either (a) agree with me or (b) think I'm good.
    Best wishes
    _______________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Seminars. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews, with practical exercises that people really appreciate.
    I shall be doing the Win That Teaching Job seminar on Saturday February 25th, and also the Moving into Headship or SLT seminar on Saturday 18th February
    www.tesweekendworkshop87.eventbrite.com
    www.tesweekendworkshop82.eventbrite.com
     
  19. RossOnderbrook

    RossOnderbrook New commenter

    Yes, but can you ride a unicycle Theo?
     
  20. Reply to Science Guy:
    Hmmmm
    Are you sure I said that because I have a 1st that makes me a better teacher than someone with say, a 2:2 degree?
    Or did you read that I have a 1st and your mind made up the rest and you then read in your mind what you wanted to read because I had mentioned a 1st.
    Hmmmmmm - good point eh Science Guy jumping to conclusions.
    I guess you didn't get a 1st then LOL [​IMG]
     

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