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Cover Up...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vladimir, Nov 18, 2015.

  1. Vladimir

    Vladimir Senior commenter

  2. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Not surprising since the Tory party chairman is also working for the 'Remain' campaign to keep the UK in the EU, despite the party claiming it will be neutral during the referendum campaign.

    Newsnight reports that David Cameron aide and Tory deputy chairman Stephen Gilbert is doing two days work a week at Populus, the official pollsters of the BSE campaign. Despite CCHQ’s claim of neutrality during the referendum, they seem to be allowing Gilbert to remain in his post as Tory deputy chairman in charge of campaigning, while he also works part-time for the Remain campaign’s pollsters. Newsnight say his work at Populus will specifically be working for BSE. Gilbert is still listed as a Conservative Party board member on their website, and Guido understands he still has his nameplate on his office in 4 Matthew Parker Street, which is Grant Shapps’ old office. He also has a CCHQ security pass.
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  3. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Talking about cover ups, some might say this is an even bigger Corbyn's shadow chancellor supporting calls by a faction within the party, the Socialist Network, to disband MI5. When asked about it a spokesman said “This is the first time John has ever seen this letter and certainly never signed it.”

    But this shows otherwise

  4. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

    These people are out of touch with reality.
  5. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Thanks for that.

    Great post
  6. Sid_Pubes

    Sid_Pubes Senior commenter

    And of course, your cutting and pasting this from that well known and reliable political organ Facebook is a guarantee that this photograph hasn't been faked.
  7. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

  8. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

    Not to mention the use of propaganda from tax payers funds.

    The Financial Times reports today that the official study, which the chancellor is expected to commission shortly, is being "viewed by eurosceptics as taxpayer-funded propaganda". Eurosceptics told the paper that as the government is campaigning for reform of the EU and, if successful, continued membership, the study will be unable to offer an impartial analysis.

    The Brexit campaign Vote Leave said: "Any intervention by the Treasury will be highly political and is unlikely to discuss the cost of handing over so much control to the EU. After the prime minister's attacks on life outside the EU, it's increasingly clear the government are set on staying in no matter the cost; any report will toe that line."

    News of the Treasury's move comes after David Cameron finds himself under fresh pressure over his negotiation demands, which some of his own backbenchers regard as unambitious. Last weekend, London Mayor Boris Johnson called on the UK to amend the Act of Parliament that gives primacy to EU laws to include a caveat that would give domestic lawmakers the right to overturn EU rules in certain circumstances.

    "The great thing, which makes it so attractive, is that you don't need a negotiation. You don't need Angela Merkel's permission at all. All you need is to get it through the House of Commons. It could be done by us alone," Johnson told the Sunday Times.
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  9. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

  10. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

    Can anything be trusted which comes from that horse's mouth? A mouth which wants to see the police unarmed and MI5 disbanded? Really? And we haven't heard anything which comes from McDonald's mouth.

    And of the same horse must be very reliable, mustn't it? This is what he signed and this is what he's photographed holding. Number 12 is particularly interesting wouldn't you say?

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  11. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

    Not even his closest allies can give a coherent answer when questioned on it.

  12. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    So you won't trust their statement, but you'll trust a pic floating about on twitter with writing that can't be actually read.

    Number 12 doesn't appear in the photo from what I can make out. From counting the paragraphs it goes to number 10 and then there is some writing underneath but you can't actually tell what it is.

    It seems rather biased to presume that the photo is completely legitimate and beyond any critical evaluation, while presuming that statements made by the organisation themselves must be untrustworthy.
  13. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    If you feel the need to, examine past petitions under the this system and you will note that nearly all of them that reach or come close to the threshold have their signatories tested (and some often removed in exactly the same way)
    It's part of the process.

    As for the lack of activity I think this may have something to do with it (from the link) "MPs on the Petition’s Committee will decide whether MPs should debate the motion. "
    Which is also part of the standard process (and by no means all of the petitions that pass the threshold have been debated.

    Everyone, especially those who who start these petitions seems to think a debate will automatically result once the threshold number is passed.
    It doesn't work that way
  14. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Nothing in the previous post indicates that I support Cameron or his apparent desire to stay in the EU
    Far from it in fact
  15. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    I don't get what's unclear about what Abbot is saying. She says quite clearly that he's not in favour of disbanding MI5 but says she can't speak for him on why it is being reported that his name appears on a letter calling for that. I think that's pretty fair, and hardly unclear.

    The only photo I've seen of the letter itself does not have any signatories attached. He might have signed it and be backtracking, he might have held the letter for a photo and this has been conflated with the fact that he signed the general principles into the presumption that he signed his support for this specific set of demands. Who knows.

    It looks to me like there's a bit of a case of reshuffling of the truth on both sides to be honest.
  16. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

    I would not trust their statement in light of the Paris attacks and the furore which has blown up about McDonald's support their campaign. I would also not trust their "clarification" when they published the picture of McDonald on Twitter praising him for supporting their campaign. I'm surprised you seem to in light of the this.

    It appears on Twitter along with their praise of McDonald.

    It seems rather biased to deny the evidence when the photo is there on Twitter along with praise for McDonald for supporting them. To presume the organisation is untrustworthy in light of this together with their demands of disarming the police, abolishing the House of Lords and disbanding MI5 which is probably the only things protecting the public from terrorist attacks is the only logical thing to do.
  17. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

    She struggles to answer the question of why he would put his name to such demands. When pressed she says she doesn't think he supports the disbanding of MI5 and keeps repeating the interviewers have to ask him. If she is so sure of his views on the one hand, why does she keep repeating they have to ask him?
  18. HarbingerSwell

    HarbingerSwell Occasional commenter

    Even Dianne Abbot does not deny he is a signatory to all the demands.

    That's a lot of presumptions on your part isn't it? They are not based on anything McDonald or Abbot said.

    I can't see any except on McDonald's supporters side. Where would you say reshuffling is on any other side?
  19. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    A weak attempt at denying its multiple sources.

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