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Could the UK exist without its USA 'ally'?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by oldsomeman, Jul 13, 2019.

  1. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    post 29

    post 39

    post 80

    You seem unable to cope with more than one sentence at time.
    Did you forget what you put in posts 29 & 39?
  2. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

  3. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Should have added India.
    racroesus likes this.
  4. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Japan was very much your problem...(my bolds)

    WE, by the grace of Heaven, Emperor of Japan, seated on the throne occupied by the same dynasty from time immemorial, enjoin upon ye, Our loyal and brave subjects:

    We hereby declare War on the United States of America and the British Empire. The men and officers of Our Army and Navy shall do their utmost in prosecuting the war. Our public servants of various departments shall perform faithfully and diligently their respective duties; the entire nation with a united will shall mobilize their total strength so that nothing will miscarry in the attainment of Our war aims.

    To ensure the stability of East Asia and to contribute to world peace is the far-sighted policy which was formulated by Our Great Illustrious Imperial Grandsire [Emperor Meiji] and Our Great Imperial Sire succeeding Him [Emperor Taishō], and which We lay constantly to heart. To cultivate friendship among nations and to enjoy prosperity in common with all nations, has always been the guiding principle of Our Empire's foreign policy. It has been truly unavoidable and far from Our wishes that Our Empire has been brought to cross swords with America and Britain. More than four years have passed since China, failing to comprehend the true intentions of Our Empire, and recklessly courting trouble, disturbed the peace of East Asia and compelled Our Empire to take up arms. Although there has been reestablished the National Government of China, with which Japan had effected neighborly intercourse and cooperation, the regime which has survived in Chungking, relying upon American and British protection, still continues its fratricidal opposition. Eager for the realization of their inordinate ambition to dominate the Orient, both America and Britain, giving support to the Chungking regime, have aggravated the disturbances in East Asia. Moreover these two Powers, inducing other countries to follow suit, increased military preparations on all sides of Our Empire to challenge Us. They have obstructed by every means Our peaceful commerce and finally resorted to a direct severance of economic relations, menacing gravely the existence of Our Empire. Patiently have We waited and long have We endured, in the hope that Our government might retrieve the situation in peace.

    But Our adversaries, showing not the least spirit of conciliation, have unduly delayed a settlement; and in the meantime they have intensified the economic and political pressure to compel thereby Our Empire to submission. This trend of affairs, would, if left unchecked, not only nullify Our Empire's efforts of many years for the sake of the stabilization of East Asia, but also endanger the very existence of Our nation. The situation being such as it is, Our Empire, for its existence and self-defense has no other recourse but to appeal to arms and to crush every obstacle in its path.

    The hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors guarding Us from above, We rely upon the loyalty and courage of Our subjects in Our confident expectation that the task bequeathed by Our forefathers will be carried forward and that the sources of evil will be speedily eradicated and an enduring peace immutably established in East Asia, preserving thereby the glory of Our Empire.

    In witness whereof, we have hereunto set Our hand and caused the Grand Seal of the Empire to be affixed at the Imperial Palace, Tokyo, this seventh day of the 12th month of the 15th year of Shōwa, corresponding to the 2,602nd year from the accession to the throne of Emperor Jimmu.

    (Released by the Board of Information, December 8, 1941. Japan Times & Advertiser)

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  5. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    We couldnt have won those conflicts without over 1 million Indian troops and an even bigger number of Indian civilians mobilised to help us help the US beat the Japanese. Beating the fascist barbarians in Europe and Asia was an international feat.
  6. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    We've supported them often enough since and they didn't support us from altruism as Suez showed.
  7. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    You missed the context. See #76.
  8. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Our support has been small in comparison.
  9. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    I was deliberately being flippant and trying to get a "rise".

    But a bit disappointed it took longer then I expected. My attempts at fly fishing suffer a similar fate. :(

    One of my uncles was stationed in Singapore whilst in the Navy. But fortunately for him his ship had left port before the Japanese arrived.
    artboyusa likes this.
  10. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    He was a lucky man. My uncle was an officer on Corregidor. He was captured and spent 3 years as a prisoner of those people. I have the first letter he was able to write home after he was liberated (actually, he couldn't write. Someone wrote it for him). He apologizes to his wife and children because he now weighs 90 pounds and his hair is white and he's sorry that they probably won't recognize him.
  11. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    We're small in comparison. How did our companies do out of Iraq? What about American companies?
  12. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    The conversation has diverged as it often does in these forums.:p
    I hear the mixed comments but in reality can we or do we want to stick 2 fingers up to say a trade relationship when you know they will try and shaft us in the deal?
    I still feel successive governments have made us so dependent upon others we might struggle to defy thier demands and wishes, indeed even as many of the population seem to want to find comfort in becoming part of a larger group rather than being independent in view and action.
    The question has to be asked can we, should we and do we have to political will to be independent of a nation like the USA despite all the examples of good and bad in the past quoted on here?
  13. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I'd rather be a friend of the EU than of the USA led by this racist, misogynist psychopath.

    Let's distance ourselves from the USA.
    ilovesooty likes this.
  14. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    It is entirely up to us. We can trade freely with any nation without being subservient. The constant need of some for a security blanket has put us where we now find ourselves. I still maintain that had the CM remained so, we would not have voted to leave the EU. We have generations now that have become addicted to the Brussels teet and weening them off it might take more than a generation.
  15. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Perhaps, but its still a fact.
  16. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    No chance Frank: we're like an old girlfriend; screwed and abandoned but hoping the old special relationship will recover. What do you call someone you can phone at three in the morning for sex?
  17. bumchuckle

    bumchuckle Occasional commenter

    You’re going to recruit Australians to do the ‘hard, back-breaking, low paid jobs’ that the British won’t do? I guess that sounds feasible, being a third world country without social welfare, food security, education and opportunity I’m sure we will be queueing up for honour.
  18. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

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