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Discussion in 'Personal' started by emerald52, Jan 22, 2020.

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  1. emerald52

    emerald52 Star commenter

    Yet another horrible virus. Sars, zika and ebola before. How can these be prevented? Sympathies to all affected and admiration for all engaged in combating it.
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  2. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Avoid drinking the beer?
  3. smilingisgoodforyou

    smilingisgoodforyou Occasional commenter

    Hear hear. Though I feel it is only going to get a lot worse. :(
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  4. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    It is almost impossible to prevent new viruses due to their natural tendency to mutate.
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  5. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    H1n1 and h5n1... Think that's right I have forgotten but let's not forget them.
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  6. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    This one does not have the potential to be as bad as some of the others.
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  7. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    Article on the radio about this yesterday. It is thought that the virus arose in bats but at a level that would be difficult to be contracted by a human, plus people rarely come into contact with these bats.

    The likely path was a load of bats were caught in China for market. They were taken to market and kept next to a civet cat, all alive and in cages. The bats passed the virus to the civet who vastly multiplied the virus up when it became ill and then the civet passed the virus to humans.

    Better hygiene, not eating the wildlife and treating animals more humanely would reduce such risks significantly, it is thought that AIDS arose from the African bushmeat trade.
  8. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    New viruses will always emerge.................it's evolution.
    But the fact we've 7.7 billion humans crammed close together on this planet means new ones can spread easily.
  9. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    4 cases being tested for in Scotland.
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  10. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    What is the market in bats in China? Do they eat them?
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  11. paulmarkj

    paulmarkj New commenter

    They cannot be prevented. We live in an age where everyone travels and viruses can be easily spread.

    What we should do is get a perspective. In the last 20 years:

    • 13 million people have died from ordinary flu (20,000 in the UK)
    • 12 million die from road deaths (20,000 in the UK)

    Bird flu, Sars, zika, ebola etc have all been predicted to wipe out millions, but they don't - they are not as deadly as ordinary flu.

    Death from diseases falls dramatically decade by decade.

    Death from pandemics falls decade by decade.

    We are getting better at looking after the human race.
  12. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    Yes, not sure if it's for food or "medicine".
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  13. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Aren't the Chinese supposed to be very good at ping pong? Perhaps they train using live bats.
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  14. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    Maybe, or maybe we are better at spotting possible pandemics. They aren't very common through history but can cause an immense death toll, for e.g.:

    AIDS 2005-2012 - 25 million.
    Spanish flu 1918-20 - 20-50 million.
    Black Death 1450's-60's - 75-200 million, about 1/3rd of European population.
    Plague of Justinian 541-542 - 25 million, responsible for fall in population in Britain from 4 to 2 million from Roman times to 1000AD.


    Most that come along have thankfully not been so deadly, but we can't be complacent about the one with the combination of severity of the disease and ease of spreading that will turn up one day. Or we'll have a different base-line for "perspective".
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  15. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    Not by taking antibiotics... just in case anyone's tempted.
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  16. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

  17. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    And now one being treated at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Belfast for symptoms associated with coronavirus. He apparently travelled to Northern Ireland from the city of Wuhan.
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  18. frangipani123

    frangipani123 Lead commenter

    There are quite a few international students from Wuhan studying in the UK, and many of them will have returned from China at the beginning of last week to start the new university term. It seems the authorities are aware of this, one of those being tested is a student. Don't know the position in terms of public health, as whether all such students could be tested without having symptoms.
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  19. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    As an interesting distraction, I listened to an old Radiolab episode recently, which concerned advances in microbiology and specifically our personal microbiomes which they believe are as individual to us as our fingerprints and DNA.

    Part of the programme looked as how much of our personal bacteria gets transferred to someone else when we shake hands with them.

    Here is animated video of the essential part of an experiment they conducted.

    It seems that some of us are more susceptible to picking up transfered bacteria in this way than others.

    As an aside, the programme said it's early days yet, but microbiologists think it's likely that the time will come when forensic scientists will be able to use microbiome samples left on objects an individual has handled, to place them at a crime scene in the same way they do with fingerprints.

    So when Ry Cooder says in this song "Ain't you glad that things don't talk?", he was perhaps being somewhat premature.

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  20. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Not to mention some schools.
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