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Computing Vacancies

Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by Mr_G_ICT, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. Mr_G_ICT

    Mr_G_ICT New commenter

    At the moment there are 15 job vacancies available in the north west. I'm curious, is this unusually high for this time of year?

    It seems like there are a lot of jobs around at the moment, am I wrong? are more computing guys/gals leaving the profession?
     
  2. Avalicious

    Avalicious New commenter

    Really? That's a lot. There aren't many in the north east.
     
  3. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Most of us have reached retirement age or have gone early. Some will have been got rid of as they are too expensive. Some will have left because they get paid more actually doing computing in industry. Add to this the fact that there are no pgce courses in computing and you have the perfect storm.

    qts, a pulse, and an ability to know how to get a class to use online tutorials and the head of department position is yours!
     
  4. Penny10p

    Penny10p Occasional commenter

    What do you mean no PGCE courses in computing? I ask because I am overseas and my PGCE is in ICT, however, it was many years ago. I have just always assumed that there are now PGCEs in Computer Science. Or do the new PGCE courses not specify a subject?
    I teach GCSE and A level and am thinking of returning to the UK. Is there really a shortage of CS teachers? Or is it the case that very few schools offer CS so very few CS teachers are needed?
     
  5. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    To answer the question, no, there is no shortage of CS teachers. But, try getting a job from one of the ads in the TES.

    I am a qualified, experienced CS teacher. In the last 10 years I could count on one hand the number of equally qualified and experienced CS teachers I have met. Most CS teachers hired by schools are simply the cheapest option. Young, inexperienced IT graduates who have never written more than a few lines of python are the norm. Or ICT teachers who have applied for CS jobs and have never written more than a few lines of python.
     
  6. zangolin

    zangolin New commenter

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  7. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Thanks for the updated info
    I stand corrected
    There are 30 institutions offering pgce
    That’s not many for the number of schools
     
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  8. Mr_G_ICT

    Mr_G_ICT New commenter

    Currently in the north west for this term, there are 17 computing teacher vacancies. for this time of year that's a lot! it's just thinking that shortage and in demand subjects....i'm not sure about the situation for other subjects, but if this indicative of the national picture and teaching as a whole....that's pretty worrying.
     
  9. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    Like I said previously, those job adverts are only for cheap teachers. The word "dynamic" is usually the giveaway. That means cheap. Schools will not pay for experienced teachers.
     
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  10. Luvsskiing

    Luvsskiing Occasional commenter

    I was seriously considering a very short contract recently, to help out a school whose CS teachers had 'left'. I was trying to help the Head who was desperate but unwilling to pay more then a little over £100 a day and it was strictly pro-rata for the actual contact hours in a day, no non-contact time!!! What planet are these £100K a year Heads on? Apart from dreadful dictorial negotiating tactics and not understanding CS supply teachers are typically paid £250 a day for their highly specialised skills, if they don't want to fund these courses, why do they bother running them? Needless to say, the children are still being 'taught' by unqualified cover teachers and being put off CS for life.
     
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  11. theworm123

    theworm123 Lead commenter

    There are definitely PGCEs in Computing, many in fact. A university near to mine is offering 3rd year undergrads the opportunity to fraud are with QTS as part of their undergraduate degree, that’s how bad things have gotten.
     
  12. Penguin47

    Penguin47 New commenter

    It's not just a shortage, but a lack of appreciation for the subject and the people teaching it.

    I trained with a handful in this subject and two have dropped out because "teaching isn't for them", aka they were not being given enough support and their subject was undervalued. These particular individuals had worked in the IT industry and were extremely skilled; the kids were lucky to have them. Then another friend has basically decided to jump ship after A) There was talks of making it a one-man department and B) A more lucrative offer came up.

    I, on the other hand, also experienced a lack of support and SLT who didn't care for the subject. There's a few reasons why I ain't tried to find another job but ultimately not even sure that I want to...and this is coming from someone that is extremely passionate about the subject and education in general.
     
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  13. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    There is no shortage of CS teachers. Schools will simply not pay for an experienced teacher because the subject does not deliver good enough results for the money invested. ROCE.

    I believe that too many senior managers still remember the days of ICT when PE teachers could teach Gcse ICT and get a decent pass rate.

    CS is dying in state schools and that is just a fact.
     
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  14. Penguin47

    Penguin47 New commenter

    Dependant on area, maybe? There's quite a few going around near me.

    Not to mention with our expertise / qualifications, we may as well be working in industry...
     
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  15. gigaswitch1

    gigaswitch1 Occasional commenter

    Never seen som many vacancies
     
  16. Luvsskiing

    Luvsskiing Occasional commenter

    It's not just the number of vacancies that's noticable. Over time, and I'm talking years, you notice the same schools advertising again and again for CS teachers. Each time you hear that they have finally filled their vacancies, just as quickly you then hear they are in a crisis and looking for CS teachers again!

    Overwork? Bullying SLT? Unrealistic expectations and targets? Poor behaviour? Poor facilities? Low salaries? No recognition of the huge workload CS teachers in particular face? Too many other duties and meetings? I suspect it's a mixture of the above.

    EG. I went to an 11-16 school a year ago to help out on supply for three months or until they recruited a full time person and was on £255 a day - nice, I thought. I'm good, but not Superman. I had 11 different classes in a week. All but two had over 30 students - 350 different students, every week.

    The stupid SLT wanted one formal piece of work in their book marked and recorded, it transpired after I arrived (not mentioned before). Every week. 350 students, each with a formal piece of marked work every week? Do you really need to be a genius to work out why that isn't possible? I sat down with my SLT line manager and showed her exactly why this wasn't possible time wise, and got the 'that's school policy, ofsted need it, do your best but it is expected' etc.

    I gave my one week's notice the next day.
     
  17. Dorsetdreams

    Dorsetdreams Occasional commenter

    Anyone else stopped using books? I did, in 1997, and told my current school when I started in 2002 that there would be no IT exercise books. The day some new SLT demand books will be the day I resign.
    (OTOH I do do more marking now than ever before.)
     
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  18. Penguin47

    Penguin47 New commenter

    I actually like books, but not for work. I think it's handy if they have a small book to make notes in whilst I'm teaching. No commitment to mark them as it's not actual work, but can always have a quick look through to see if they're adding notes correctly.

    Add to that making the material (PowerPoints etc) available to them on the school system, sure, many might not bother; but for the few that do, it's probably in-line with their learning style.
     
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  19. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    There are lots of vacancies and lots of CS teachers applying for them, but, schools will only employ very cheap teachers.
     
  20. moscowbore

    moscowbore Lead commenter

    OfSTED do nopt require any marked books. They have gone to great length to say that. OFSTED only want evidence that your stated marking policy is being followed. If the policy is that teachers decide what marking is necessary, then that is what OFSTED look for.

    I have not used books ever,
     
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