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Computer Science Jobs

Discussion in 'Computing and ICT' started by MrDuck, Jun 14, 2019.

  1. MrDuck

    MrDuck New commenter

    As a school we are really struggling to recruit a Computer Science Teacher. We have a Head of Department vacancy, but would welcome a NQT. There isn't anyone out there! I know Oxfordshire generally has an issues with attracting applications due to the high cost of living.

    Has anyone else encountered issues with recruitment? Are there enough Computer Science teachers out there?
  2. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    All the original staff are either retired or been micro managed out or put on capability because they were on UPS3

    Then there are those who thought s.o.d this and went and got jobs doing something else

    There are no NQTs

    CS graduates make for more money for far less stress not teaching

    You need to thank Gove for the reforms making it easier to get rid of staff and CAS for destroying the curriculum

    All goes to prove the statement “be careful what you wish for”
    border_walker and bonxie like this.
  3. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    Have to agree with the above. It's the same problem here in the S.E. I regularly see jobs to run departments advertised at just +£2000 or +£3000 above the already pitiful rate offered for a CS teacher. Unless you already own your own home here, you have little to no chance of buying anything and are stuck in a vicious cycle of renting ever more expensive properties in areas you really don't want to live in. On top of that, add crazy workloads that aren't conducive to a family or social life, larger classes than ever before with such wide ability ranges, impossible specifications at GCSE, behaviour that has to be seen to be believed and next to useless bodies representing the subject at national level, and you can see why the subject will inevitably be found only in grammar and independent schools soon. The shambolic NCCE with its endless delays of its so-called 'training hubs' and misadventurous plans to rescue the subject is the latest misdirected effort to save the subject. So sad to see.

    I get around a lot of schools and one trend that has been very noticible in the last 18 months is the number of computing and ex-ICT teachers disappearing to jobs and a real life abroad, especially China, and teachers with families, too. The subject is all but finished as a mainstream subject now.
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  4. dalersmith

    dalersmith Occasional commenter

    Recruitment is a problem in Leeds, even though there are local Universities for PGCE Computing and a number of MATs churning out CS graduate teachers. When I got my current role as HoD I had actually applied for a teaching position, I didn't even realise they needed an HoD. Recently I applied to join a MAT as HoD Computing, but I was turned down in favour of a non specialist Business Studies teacher, th e Principle had even stated he wanted a specialist CS HoD to turn the department around.
    As far as @50sman 's comment about CAS destroying the curriculum, I am not sure, they lobbied for curriculum change and got it, most people were happy for that. But even , CAS and the oft maligned BCS, stated that ICT should not be totally removed from the curriculum, but we have been left with Gove's legacy to deal with.
    I have also considered leaving teaching to return to industry, because Computing has become a National disgrace, rather than the emancipator that it was touted as.
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  5. dalersmith

    dalersmith Occasional commenter

    It is strange, isn't it, CS is supposed to be compulsory across all key stages, other than 5, and yet I have seen stand alone business studies leaders(Not Business Ict and Computing) advertised at much higher TLR. My old school the Business Leader got a top wack 10K (2 classes in KS, 4, 1 in 5), whilst the head of ICT(before reforms) got 6K TLR, for a whole school responsibility, as it was still a core subject. The subject in both guises has always been undervalued.
  6. Dorsetdreams

    Dorsetdreams Occasional commenter

    Yes. Applicants who claimed to be Commuter Science teachers but knew nothing. One who claimed to have run a CS department to KS5 but couldn't answer a single question on an A-level paper. We ended up appointing a guy with no A-level knowledge but who was at least honest about it.
  7. PersianCatLady

    PersianCatLady Occasional commenter

    I will (in two weeks) a Computer Science NQT but I cannot get a job at all.

    Unfortunately due to family, I cannot move outside of my area.
  8. PersianCatLady

    PersianCatLady Occasional commenter

    Forgot to add, I have BSc Computing & IT degree from 2017.

    I would not say that I could teach A Level now because the content is so different to degree computing and even AQA and OCR are so different to each other.

    If I had got a CS teacher job for September, my summer activity was going to be getting my A Level knowledge up together in time.
    ParakeetGreen likes this.
  9. bonxie

    bonxie Lead commenter

    The shortage of computer science teachers is the same in Scotland. When a vacancy arose at our local secondary school, it took several adverts in the UK and then some advertising abroad. After 5 months, they finally managed to recruit a teacher from Australia. It wasn't a good situation for those studying for their Higher exams. They'd only had 2 months teaching before the CS teacher left to take up a promotion elsewhere.

    I can't see why any CS graduate would want to take up teaching when they can get much better paid jobs, with better work-life balances, in other professions.
    ParakeetGreen likes this.
  10. PersianCatLady

    PersianCatLady Occasional commenter

    I want to work in schools because I love computing and I want kids to love it like I do.

    My second cousin works in Hong Kong programming trader systems for the big banks.

    At Christmas when I told him that schools were looking for people like him, I told him what the trainee package was.

    He nearly wet himself because some weeks if there are issues with getting a system running right, he earns that in less than a week.

    However, he is owned by whoever he is under contract to so his wife wouldn't call him if there was a family emergency or ask for "compassionate leave".

    I know that teaching isn't 9-3 because this year I have left home at 06:30 and often not got in until 18:30 but I know the score now.

    At no time should I be expected to work 4 days straight without going home.

    So for me being a CS teacher is what I want to do but I appreciate that other people are more like my cousin.
  11. ParakeetGreen

    ParakeetGreen New commenter

    The conditions BinaryHex mentions apply.

    The mind set of CS trained/attuned people probably doubles the problem of attracting people for these 'operant conditions' of school system.

    IE they want clear job role definition, functional systems, autonomy to problem solve, measurable and realistic progression accordingly. But it is not offered, the reverse is realistic.

    I would like to teach CS but will not if the conditions as described apply. On day to day basis I see teacher burn out in such conditions across subjects let alone CS.

    See how the next year goes and choose CS training or CS/Data Science or other orthodox qualification.

    The power should be in the teacher's hands about their classroom environment for learning. That is the fundamental labelling error. Because it is state social contract that is in the hands of Top-Down decision making.
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