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Children needing the toilet during lessons

Discussion in 'Secondary' started by cally4, Sep 20, 2007.

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  1. as someone with a bladder the size of a pea nut I have sympathy and actually it is physiologically quite a common experience to need to empty your bladder 20min- hour post a meal/drink etc. My teens have suffered from irregular and heavy periods too and its often been a concern that they could find themselves in a tricky situation if a teacher gets heavy handed.

    As a parent I also think it is a right not a privilege. If staff monitor who uses the loo and damage problems come to light you can quickly narrow your suspects down.I dont believe in punishing all for the sake of a few.

    I dont know maybe as parents we'd all feel a bit peeved if it was our child, despite an understanding of the other side.
     
  2. Just don't let these children travel by plane or, come to that, go anywhere that there isn't a vacant toilet immediately. If they've got to go to the toilet on demand, their adult lives, as well as teens, are going to be very limited.
     
  3. If a child needs the toilet they need the toilet.

    I VERY rarely say no to girls for obvious reasons.

    Equally, if the childs had enough the childs had enough - a 5 min toilet run will help them concentrate.

    If a lot of children are asking simply ask they whole class who else needs to go - most will raise there hands, but when you say "I'll have to escort you" most will put there hands down. Those who really need to go will be up for the escorted toilet tun, who can them be sent in pairs.

    Notably, I have had seen my teachers take whole classes to the toilets, which is quite a sight and makes me laugh!!!

    AC (HT)
     
  4. Dear Calley4

    Firstly, I am sorry that you are seeing teachers at there worse on here.

    houserabbit is utterly wrong about children going to the toilet. Schools have legal requirements to provide facilities to children and respond with dignitiy, which is generally governed by "what would the parent do?" houserabbit is likely a teacher that all of us heads would want ride of. S/He appears to be more interested in fining children for bodily functions than ensuring there educational engagement.

    I hope you are leaving the PROFESSION soon, houserabbit!!!

    Crone BA (Hons) PGDE DipPsych MSc (Psych)
     
  5. PS Caley4

    Make the complaint and copy it into the Director of Education. It is my view that this is a child protection issue.

    Your child asked for the toilet three times - that is desperation and procastination! Teachers can't leave the class for a toliet run unless they get cover because of child protection issues, but it is possible for a teacher to be relieved from class.

    In terms of fining your child the toilet on excursions, this is not possible. I take the view that Disability Discrimination legislation would prevent a school from doing this. If a child has a stomock bug the school have to make reasonable adjustments. Your case is not a symbol of inclusion and it certainly is not dignified behaviour on the part of the teacher.

    Any complaint should not affect relations with teachers in the school. If you make the complaint and mention this blog I can promise your child will NEVER be refused toilet facilities. Further, formally state that when my child requests toilet leave she is to be allow, without exception, to the Headteacher and Director of Education and instruct it be left on your childs file.

    If this was my teacher I would go throw him like a bull doser!

    Please let me know what you do. I will assist you - I am not sure that you have had this so far!

    AC
     
  6. What an ars@hole! Another one not living in the real world.
     
  7. Someone please tell me that Crone is a **** take? Having read his other responses I certainly hope so.
     
  8. Rugbylad think you right but he must be serious having put this at the end of his post:

    "Crone BA (Hons) PGDE DipPsych MSc (Psych)"

    Please!
     
  9. Some advice to Mr Crone:
    Take more water with it
    Get to bed earlier
     
  10. I note the abusive messages and have reported them to webmaster. This is a professional sight for all to see!

    AC
     
  11. Mr Crone,

    I agree that teachers must exercise projessional judgement in these cases. However I would hope that if a student was suffering a stomach bug they should be at home!


    I am not a parent, but in the case of Calley4's year 7 child this was clearly a learning experience for the child - go to the toilet at break and lunch! Do not expect to permission go during lesson time.
     
  12. stomock bug ('stomach')

    I would go throw him like a bull doser! ('through' 'bulldozer')

    a professional sight
    ('site')


    This site is only as professional as its users...
     
  13. At my last school we were never allowed to let pupils out to go to the toilet. If they had a medical reason they always had a pass and could go no question otherwise had to wait till the end of the lesson which were instructions from the headteacher.

    I have always had a strict policy at all the schools I have teached at that come to my lessons with empty bladders or sit in a classroom with a full bladder. I don't think an hour is long for a pupil to wait not in secondary. There all old enough to know that class time is for learning, break time is for peeing.
     
  14. Would a period be a medical reason and the girl be given a pass?

    P.S. Are you a teacher?
    'teached' 'there all old enough'
     

  15. The school I am currently working at issue toilet passes to all pupils who have medical conditions which allow them immediate access to the toilet. I am not aware this is the case for girls when it is 'time of month' and they are expected to sort themselves out and make sure they are prepared for class.

    Like I said in my previous post unless pupils have a medical pass, class time is for learning and break time is for peeing.

    One girl in my class last week who doesn't normally ask to leave did and of course I had to say "sorry but you were all told the rules at the beginning of the school year" and she told me she was really desperate but I couldn't allow her to go without a pass as this would not be fair on the others. There was still half hour left of the lesson and she managed to hold on till the end. I think every pupil in secondary after the first half of term in Yr7 should be able to manage to go a whole hour without wanting to go to the toilet providing they have gone at the appropriate time, which as I have said before is breaktime.

     
  16. I can't believe what i'm reading. If a child wants to go to the toilet, then they should be allowed to go.As a parent, I would be absolutely horrified if my child was not permitted to go to the toilet during a lesson if they needed to do so - have some of these teachers forgotten that they are in loco parentis? As for locking toilets during lessons - well I am lost for words. What kind of institutions do you belong to? I think it says something about your relationship with the students if they feel the need to ask to go to the toilet to get out of your lesson!!
     
  17. Gemini -

    Kids ask to go to the toilet when they don't need to just because they fancy getting out of the lesson, or meeting up with friends for a cigarette, or any number of things.

    Toilets are not locked to be unpleasant, they are locked to ensure that when your child goes to the loo at break or lunchtime, they don't have to step over faeces, kicked over sanitary bins, read obscene graffiti, wade through pee because someone blocked up the urinals and put the taps on.....etc

    Since locking our toilets during lesson times (they can get a key at reception if they have a note) the toilets have been 100 times better.

    There is a place for kids knowing that they do need to go to the toilet at break and lunchtime to 'try' rather than not wanting to waste their playtime going to the toilet, only to want to go an hour later and miss learning time.

    As teachers, we are unable to say to every child at the end of break 'have you been for a wee??!'

    As a parent, you
    1) can ask your child to go to the toilet before going out
    2) only have one or two kids to think about, not 30
    3) can trust that they won't trash the toilet because they would be found out pretty quick
    4) don't have to think about them losing lesson time and how to catch up.

    So, don't be 'lost for words'. Don't be 'horrified', teachers aren't trying to be cruel.

    And if you want your child to be able to go to the toilet all through lesson times, I have a straightforward suggestion: home-school!
     
  18. This whole topic is quite sad.
    It is sad that we can't trust children to use toilet facilities properly.
    It is wrong that children are forbidden to leave lessons for a genuine toilet break.

    Given the choice of having the toilets in a decent state for breaktime for everyone or having children allowed to leave the classroom at will, I have to go for the first even if that causes some, possibly serious, distress to a few.

    The other problem is that while the children are out of the classroom, they are not being supervised. They could fall, become ill, even run away etc and not be discovered until it was too late.
     
  19. pcsimon

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    I teach in a girl's school and am male so I'm never going to get away with not letting them out! My rules are simple - they can't go while I'm talking to the whole class and only one can go at a time. When they are doing a practical or written work I don't have a problem. Seems to work OK.
     
  20. pcsimon

    pcsimon New commenter

    *girls' school
     
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