rharg - you and I are going round in circles. I am not making any assumptions about you particularly. I hope you will give the parents of the children you teach the same benefit of the doubt. You may suffer the consequences of other people's parenting choices, but as teachers, the consequences of everything parents do or don't do with their children, is felt in the classroom. Ultimately though, parents have the biggest impact on the education of children, and as such, our working relationship with them is (or should be) paramount. I see a lot of teachers who are very judgemental about parenting (often without children themselves, or without knowing very much about the individual circumstances of the families involved). I am not saying YOU fall into this category, but some of those I have met, have let their judgements impact on their relationship with the family of the children concerned. I think this is a terrible shame for the children involved.