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Changes to author tiers from December 1st

Discussion in 'Tes Authors' Group' started by tesAuthorTeam, Nov 2, 2018.

  1. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter


    If you use a sensible title like "French Cultural Assisted Reading" that would help people know what your resource is about and avoid 10 other unnecessary words. Titles are not there for full descriptions and you need to find a happy medium between using short titles and being descriptive. I understand you are not happy but there is no need to take it out on others who are offering help. I only suggested a reason why your titles were not helping your resources get found and what you can do to rectify it. It is up to you if you take this advice in the manner it was intended and I know others have had success with similar advice before.

    I don't appreciate your unfair attacks and snide remarks but unfortunatly feel you will continue to be rude to me and others as you have done on multiple occasions in the past because you are angry with the changes. I hope you find a way to help your resources get seen and wish you well but I will not be playing this game with you as I don't think we will ever agree and you seem determined to cause an argument.
     
  2. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    Worth a try anyway at least you are now on page 2. :)
     
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  3. iandoublem

    iandoublem New commenter

    It's definitely worth uploading as its a useful resource for people and certainly something that saves people a lot of time. I also include a few bits in the resource to help people edit it to suit their needs. The thing with it though, is that it is essentially just a couple of PDFs. For me then, it isn't worth selling for much more than a pound or two but a higher price is likely to dissuade people which would be a shame, as it's really useful.
    Over time, it's bought in a few quid, but it's just annoying seeing how much TES take from that one resource in particular.

    Having said that though, most of my resources are huge Units of Work-I sell one workbook that has 101 pages in it and that's £7.50. It's also fairly scandalous that it only makes me £3.75 after TES take their cut. I expect that for their share, TES would do much more to allow me to promote and sell the thing! For example, on the product page, it shows that there can/should be 4 images of previews whereas from the edit resource page, I'm only able to upload one image. Instead, I have to direct potential users to an external website where they can see the document in much more detail. This must work as my conversion rates for this and the other similar resources are very high, but it's absurd that for the money they take, TES don't provide more services and opportunities for me to promote the resource.
     
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  4. Nik_Bernaz

    Nik_Bernaz New commenter

    I am truly sorry if I offended you in any way, and my snide remarks were directed at my own post where I changed the title to a single keyword to see if it made any change and it did not. The fact that the posts are delayed because they need to be moderated somehow breaks the flow of the conversation here.

    Yes, I am unhappy about the search not working, and accept my apologies if it sounds like a personal attack, because I truly fail to see how this could be.

    We are paying around 50% of the money we make here, and I don't mind giving this up for the active promotion of my resources, but unfortunately this does not seem to happen. Like everyone, I want to go back to Silver, but this will never happen if we do not get visibility.

    Thank you for suggesting "French Cultural Assisted Reading" ( I actually changed it back to "
    French Culture Reading A-Levels Cultural") and it climbed up a free places, but still, this is not what I would type in the search box to get the results that I want. I figured out that the optimal description should be 5 or 6 words maximum from trial and error.

    If I look at my conversion rates:
    [​IMG]
    There is clearly a problem there, because the conversion rates for the seen resources are huge, and the others are simply zero. Which to me means that they are never seen.

    I am not the only one pointing this out, there is another author with the same issue:
    https://community.tes.com/threads/1000-then-nothing.784340/
     
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  5. vcurrie19

    vcurrie19 New commenter

    Yes, sorry, should've clarified. Not really worth selling (in my opinion). I share your sentiment about TES not providing enough services and opportunities for us to promote our resources, though.
     
  6. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    Hi @Nik_Bernaz, what you are saying is totally true, searches in Resources frequently throw up totally irrelevant results o_O and moreover they promise a high number of pages where the vast majority of results beyond pages 8-12 have little or nothing to do with what you are searching for, sometimes interspersed with resources that have been given such a long title or are 'keyword-stuffed' as I myself have only just learnt. :cool:
    However, your particular resource which you mentioned in this thread has been bugging me. So this morning I searched for 'aqa french a-level reading' and it is on page 1, about 6th place down... so I would say that is a result! I know that you changed your title and as you said also, too many words seem to confuse the search engine as it won't recognise which one to go for - I only just noticed that above the title line it suggests that 40 characters are best. :rolleyes: It is difficult to fit everything into 40 characters - especially in MFL I think. With the newly-found knowledge that the search-engine also goes by the first paragraph of the description however, I will find it easier to address this.
    Were there to be anything else to be changed about your title, I would have suggested removing the -s from 'A-levels'. Personally, I would never type A-levels, only singular or KS5. Though I'd say place 6 on page 1 is probably appropriate. I assume that you will have selected the AQA course at the upload stage so that your resource also pops up when colleagues tick the relevant box in the search page margin. ;)
    I hope this helps,
    :)
     
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2018
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  7. Nik_Bernaz

    Nik_Bernaz New commenter

    Thank you Mozaik

    All that you say is true.
    Last night I renamed ALL my resources so that the titles are now 5 or 6 words long only.
    This is absolutely ridiculous but it does the trick.
    As soon as everyone understands this, the results will once again become irrelevant.
    The right thing to do is actually spend some time optimising the search so that it actually takes into account every word from the title and processes them.
    eBay can do it. Amazon can do it.

    Surely TES can do it too.
     
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  8. EC_Resources

    EC_Resources Occasional commenter

    They do I'm afraid.
     
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  9. bricu

    bricu New commenter

    What a disappointing year it's been for TES!

    Some many people disillusioned by the whole process.

    I really wish they would invest in a decent infrastructure. Things take so long to upload. I gave up the other day.

    I think they should weed out the rubbish. Anything that has not sold in a year should have to be resubmitted.

    Also there are so few people reviewing. Every review should get a little credit that can be put to exchange resources.

    I think I may treat myself to a year's subscription to the American site that cannot be named. At least stuff sells there.

    Sorry to be so downbeat. It's been a bad year. Roll on 2019!
     
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  10. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    [QUOTE="bricu, post: 12703655,
    I think they should weed out the rubbish. Anything that has not sold in a year should have to be resubmitted.[/QUOTE]

    Completely agree. If a resource has not sold in a year give the author a warning and if not updated within 30 days then delete it. It would help get rid of old redundant resources, forgotten accounts etc and make the search results more relevant.
     
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  11. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    As someone who has just started to revisit my resources dating back to the beginnings, I would like to make 2 suggestions (@TES Resource Team) here:
    My first suggestion I know is not my idea and has been asked for before. We would welcome a 'draft' section on the author dashboard. That way we could move resources which are either currently irrelevant (e.g. Christmas) or resources which we are or need to be working on 'off the shelf' without having to delete them completely. :rolleyes:
    Like many others no doubt, I feel that I am constantly evolving as an author and I can tell that by the fact that more recent resources sell better than older ones. I therefore aim to improve them rather than deleting them.
    With the new changes to author status, where it doesn't matter anymore how many resources we have a up for sale, I feel that such a 'draft folder' would be a great feature for authors and I am sure it would be used... and it would help towards more relevant search results too.
    As an author I would rather be given the tools to contribute than to have my resources policed. If a resource hasn't sold in a year there may be a lot more reasons why it didn't sell than just to label it unnecessary. :eek:
    My second suggestion is that it would also be nice to have a way for buyers to communicate with an author when they have a question, rather than relying on the review system which does not allow for a sensible conversation and to my knowledge can only take place after purchase.
    :)
     
  12. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    As long as they don't keep showing up in the search results then any solution is better than the present system which lets old resources that nobody is buying hang around, cluttering up the site. Either flag them as draft or delete them, either way they should not appear in the search results.

    At the moment we have hundreds of pages in the search results which is daunting for the customer and we know most won't go past the first few pages so most of the results are redundant. It does not look professional to have Olympics 2012 resources coming up in results and if they are not getting purchased then they should be removed from the results either by flagging as draft or by deleting them after a warning to the author. If the author still thinks they are relevant than they can update them and repost them. I am guessing most won't bother and this will help clear up the results.
     
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  13. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    Agreed, it this something that @TES Resource Team can look into for us please.
     
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  14. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    Agreed :cool: and I think this should go hand in hand with TES cleaning up their 'recommended resources' algorithm... I regularly get suggestions relating to the 2018 football world cup and other out-of-date topics. ;)
     
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  15. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    Time to get rid of TES Picks and start again with up-to-date resources which should be flagged as TES Picks for only a short time and then the banner is removed. That would give more teachers a chance to get their stuff recommended and appearing in newsletters. Mind you, I have had things flagged as TES Picks and it really made no difference to sales or downloads, as far as I can see :) If it was more relevant then I could see it as a valuable way of highlighting true quality but as it is, most of the TES Picks are out of date and no longer relevant, so the TES Picks banner means nothing.
     
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  16. MosaiK

    MosaiK Occasional commenter

    Yes absolutely... though I think that 'suggested resources' and 'TES Picks' may not follow the same algorithm as I have had some of my own resources recommended back to me in the 'suggested resources' window, and they weren't the ones that had been chosen as 'TES Picks'... Hmm... I think all of this is so confusing, it is even confusing the algorithms :D
     
  17. mathsmutt

    mathsmutt Star commenter

    There are many reasons why resources are not selling on this platform - some are within the power of the author to change, some are not. Please don't class all non selling resources as rubbish.
     
  18. mathsmutt

    mathsmutt Star commenter

    These are the resources which should be targeted for removal.
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2019
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  19. mathsmutt

    mathsmutt Star commenter

    Agreed. @tesAuthorTeam , could you please action ?
     
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  20. nwilkin

    nwilkin Occasional commenter

    To be honest nobody said they were rubbish, they are just not selling and so are cluttering the search results.

    If they are not selling it could be because they are of poor quality but it may also be that they are trying to sell them on TES which is not the correct selling platform for that particular type of resource, it could be there are too many other resources which are very similar and that area is over saturated or it may be too specialist, it may even be that the author has no idea how to use cover images, previews, titles and descriptions properly so customers either don't find it or they are not enticed to click on the resource and find out more. There are many reasons that it it not selling and leaving it as it is is hardly likely to improve matters for that resource and it will remain the same unless the author is prompted to do something about it.

    You are right there are lots of reasons that resources are but not selling but if it isn't selling then TES should flag it to the author so they have the opportunity to do something about it. If the author chooses not to modify the resource then TES should not be forced into keeping it in the catalogue cluttering up space if it is not going to sell as it only makes it so much harder for other authors.

    I think a year is plenty of time and if it does not sell there is something about that resource that buyers just don't want (no matter how saleable the author thinks it is). For resources that only crop up every 4 years then it would be handy to have the draft option so they could be withdrawn when not necessary.

    TES needs to implement a system to reduce the resources that are no longer relevant and an automatic system that flags up those that have not sold for a long time seems the best.
     
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