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Chalk and talk

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by tanya109, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. tanya109

    tanya109 New commenter

    Hello everyone.
    This has been bothering me for a while and I wonder if you could all help me.
    I currently work in a good school but I am struggling with the belief system of my HOD.His believe is that all teaching should be done on the whiteboard and that teachers should be chalking and talking. There is a norm withing the department that teacher that uses PowerPoint presentations within the department are ineffective. This is really eating me up as it is the first school that I have worked in where this has come up so I m struggling to come to terms with his idea. Any idea how to deal with this and any suggestions for people that have experience d such?
  2. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    He’s been radicalised by the trads on Twitter. It is perfectly fine to believe this and it’s his right. The way against this is to use his pet trad theories against him E.g Cognitive Load Theory CLT.

    Say lots of people are finding that dual coding (displaying carefully designed slides while you teach, google this) helps remove the extraneous load on the working memory and helps the students learn more effectively. This is drawn from Sweller's work who has been cited by Spielman in her new OFSTED framework. If you want to make a HOD twitch cite WOW stuff,

    By only doing chalk and talk, he is adding extraneous load to the working memory and his teaching will not be leading to a germane load. You suggest the department explore CLT through teaching lessons using a series of well designed slides.
  3. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    What- chalking on white board?
    so all their lessons look like this?
  4. Marshall

    Marshall Lead commenter

    I 'chalk and talk' on a powerpoint or prepared slide!
  5. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Lead commenter

    Mmm, do you think we can swap schools I am on a "support plan" partly because there has been a complaint of too much board work. (hate PowerPoint and our prepared ones are def overly long and frequently wrong)

    It doesn't help when the white board and the screen are one and the same so switching is awkward and time consuming (there is no blanking function)
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  6. drek

    drek Lead commenter

    Why didn't they mention this policy when they interviewed you for the job? You would probably have looked elsewhere. Utter balderdash.
    It's up to the individual particularly if your room has a smartboard.
    Say your writing is illegible and students with send would struggle to read it.
    Would be the truth in my case. Lol
    And that behaviour is more manageable with font 40 instructions on display.
    It's a teaching tool not a managerial one.
  7. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Lead commenter

    Ay and the great god Ofsted now say they don't mind talk and chalk as it is as valid as any other method.
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  8. Marshall

    Marshall Lead commenter

    Our Clevertouch screens are great but not so user friendly so we have a normal write on whiteboard next to them. Works great!
  9. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    I like chalk and talk - at least sometimes and the talk is two-way. Students seem to like it as well.

    Is it coming back into fashion???
  10. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    chalk and talk is the bread and butter of teaching but not the jam and honey of it.

    Its all about balance.
  11. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Get him to observe you.
    There's no greater to challenge to belief than empirical demonstration.
    Go watch him too. Maybe there's some good in chalk that you never knew about.
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  12. amybwinnifred40

    amybwinnifred40 New commenter

    You could hit him with the all-powerful buzzword - differentiation!
    According to the principle of differentiation (that we are all supposed to be following because it's specified in the Australian Professional Standards for Teachers), we should be using a variety of teaching strategies in order to best cater for the variety of learning needs, strengths, weaknesses and interests of our students.
    Good luck and best wishes.
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  13. 50sman

    50sman Senior commenter

    You mean we can’t do chalk and talk anymore?
  14. FredfromFrance

    FredfromFrance New commenter

    Press 'B' when Powerpoint is running, it blanks the screen.
  15. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

    PowerPoint slides enable better pace and timing of sessions, plus enables teachers to sidetrack - if needed - and use the chalk and talk method.
  16. tanya109

    tanya109 New commenter

    Thanks for all the replies. I can definitely see this from different point of view. I shall see how well I adapt and get used to this moving forward. I can do a bit of both at the moment anyway and I was just very unhappy with how staff automatically gets labelled as incompetent because they choose to be more mordern and use ppt slides. Unfortunately no one is brave enough to address this where I am.
    Thanks again for the much diversed sharee opinion on this.
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  17. mm71

    mm71 Occasional commenter

    Wow. I initially read your post in a way that said they were pushing PowerPoint as a part of chalk & talk. A re-read now cleared that one up.

    My reaction is utter disbelief! Chalk and talk is fine as a part of a greater teaching toolset. A lot of my time is spent discussing, using PwerPoints, Teamd and Class Notebook. I'm under no illusions that my lessons are OK and maybe I should do more groupwork but to only do chalk & talk is unreasonable.

    "Chunking" will be the next big thing soon enough... :'(
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  18. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Memory works better when there's an emotional component. We remember things that have an impact.

    If you use the same method consistently you're not going to get any impact. You need variety. You need words. Pictures. Sometimes a dramatisation. Sometimes a visit. A film clip. Something that produces a visceral response. A lively, passionate, ardent chalk and talker can have that effect. But even the best of them will want to break it up with slides and clips and all sorts of things!

    How do you keep yourself interested? Don't people want to share? I might be talking about Caesar's first British Invasion. I will still probably want to show this.

    No historical accuracy. Doesn't matter. Just makes it more vivid. And if I then scrawl 55BC over it in big letters? It might just stick in the memory.

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  19. primenumbers

    primenumbers New commenter

    You didn't specify your subject.

    If you teach Maths and work in my department for example and want to move away from chalk and talk, I would like to know why. All teaching methods have their advantages and disadvantages. A mixture of them with more emphasis on the method that works best for the teacher, students and the subject itself, imo, is the most beneficial thing to do.

    If you teach Drama for example then I would just move school :)
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  20. lrw22

    lrw22 Established commenter

    I do a bit of chalk and talk and I teach in ks1. The kids are as engaged by it and learn as well from it as they do from power points, role play, practical activities, puppets or whatever else you might do. However, I wouldn't do it all day, every day and it really depends what subject you are teaching.
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