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Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by coldmetal, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    It is so frustrating and hugely time consuming to have to complete the same details and in a different format for applications for teaching posts! Firstly unlike other employment where CV's are acceptable, Schools and Colleges force you to complete their 'Application Form' Some online, some in Word.doc some in a PDF but all, although each institution has their own unique form effectively they are asking more or less the Same Information! Now the technology exists to streamline this process! What with compare websites and similar websearch tools and engines like Trivago etc it would be possible for each qualified teacher or lecturer to put their details onto such a site (if such a sit exists please let me know) It then could immediately have Varified DBS status it could have all your qualifications (varified) all your CPD and training certificates it could have you employment record your passport or work permit, your drivers licence even your tax details as well as your geographic region and subject specialism. It could hold your Supporting statement for why you work within your specialist area and also what other skillsets and useful experience you have to further qualify. WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?!?! Then schools and or colleges HR Departments could find you instead of turning to agencies. Even if you are employed people are often looking to improve their earnings or work more within their specialism or work nearer their home and could leave their status as 'Open' so they could be head hunted. Applicants could 'One Click' apply instead of putting aside 2 and a half hours cutting and pasting details into a online application that shuts down half way through. If only schools and Colleges would streamline everything and get together on this issue we would all surely be a lot better off wouldn't we? The only people that would lose out are the teaching employment agencies... Surely even the government would want this?
     
  2. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I believe the TES Quick Apply thingy does more or less what you ask.
    Many LAs also have something similar, though applying in more than one LA means you need to sign up with all of them initially.

    As all schools are looking for something different, this part would be a waste.

    Your supporting statement isn't a generic piece of prose which can be copied and pasted for every school, but a tailor made statement for why you perfectly fit the requirements of that particular school.

    2.5 hours of copying and pasting per application makes me worry about the ability of the person copying and pasting. I'm looking at independent schools, who are clearly independent and so the LA site doesn't help, and it takes nothing like 2.5 hours to copy and paste the general information.
     
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  3. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    I agree with you @mikecom about a standard application form - a complaint regularly made here. That's the problem with the fragmented education system, no-one whose job it is to take leadership on the issue.

    Schools assume that you need them more than you need them so aren't going to spend time searching for you. There'd be no point in a central site holding documents like passports - schools are legally required to see the originals. Nor would a standard supporting statement be a great help, schools want to see them 'personalised' to the job they are advertising

    Make your suggestion to the DFE and let us know what they say.
     
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  4. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    Yes... i recently used the TES Quick apply... it's getting there. As usual the catabutterfly feel they must include derisory over-comment on the post as if the OP were a level 1 or 2 student doubting the length of time applications take etc - The supporting statement could be as generic or not as the applicant prefers. It should be a stage one of any application and any in-depth 'key competencies' statements should be left to the next stage... Half the HR departments post generic job descriptions about being a teacher and couldn't tell you what the curriculum contains in most subjects or department or what the awarding bodies are anyway. Some places even obscure the fact the job is only .5 (=50%) of a job spread over 4 days. What I am saying is some officials and the schools should in their own interest all get together on this.
     
  5. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    . Passports are out of date really each has a serial number and can check if the number is consistent with the details... Those with permits or visas immediately are in that area and then would need further checking. As for totally specific supporting statements quite often the full information regarding fitting the job spec isn't even available. Any teacher or lecturer that has multi skills and and qualifications directly relevant can be picked up at stage 2 i think where the candidate is put in touch with the HOD or lecturers teaching on the course, at which point the candidate often exposes 'deal breaking' details making the application pointless, such as: insufficient salary, not experienced in the relevant curriculum details, subject matter, or some other thing which could lead applicants to a full day's interview process only to find out those kind of things.
     
  6. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    And therein lies the problem.

    Precisely.
     
  7. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    I sympathise. A lot of the form could be standardised, even though a supporting statement should always be tailored to the school and position applied for. I am not sure why there is not a standard form, at least for LA schools, although I suppose that other schools could not be compelled to join in. Of course, there is the same problem in many applications outside education, although many employers seem to put more weight on a CV. I am not sure about people just leaving details on a website; schools ar emore likely to want somebody who has shown they want a particular post and to say why they would be appropriate for that particular position. Also, I suspect that they would waste time looking through details of people who wouldn't really want that job.
     
  8. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    I think I get your drift? That applicants 1 click apply when they are not suitable enough thereby swamping the place with unsuitable applications. However if the search process included further details from schools and colleges i.e. checkbox for rates of pay and whether full time or temporary proportions and also whether other criteria is a better fit. Often HR sling out a job without half the details or misinformed out of date details and all the applicants even after interview cannot fulfil the actual criteria. I have witnessed this first hand with HR departments either totally over-qualifying or under or mis-qualifying jobs; wasting huge amounts of time, money and effort. The one click or 1 click search from HR departments should carry key applicant questions too so that no one is applying for a job they can't or wouldn't be prepared to do.
     
  9. coldmetal

    coldmetal Occasional commenter

    This is a two way thing (teachers and schools/colleges) ... What you often find is that a teacher in a job who lives nearby but works miles away and is paid less, is a far better fit for the position than all the applicants who actually (actively searching or unemployed) go ahead and apply. Turn out there was somebody on their doorstep who is by far and away the best suited if the school looked at all applicants. You could have your status as 'Actively Seeking' or if you have a job, in order to better yourself or find a shorter commute you leave your status as 'OPEN' and schools although prefer somebody totally going all out to apply may see 9 applicants and those matching the criteria 'Open' status another 43 are showing... Sometimes the application process goes full circle right through interview process without any candidate being suitable and several times! if schools contact those with open status can contact those and see if they are interested.
     
  10. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Though I'm hardly searching positively (more to stop Mrs Cazorla whittering that I need to get a proper job) I find the supply agencies very useful in that they send CVs around schools and also provide the 'sales pitch'. So all I need to do is provide the agency with my CV.

    Then again I work at the bottom end where nobody applies and schools are desperate for Science/Maths teachers, so they're prepared to consider the agency fee.
     
  11. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    My company (voluntary sector) has an application form and does not accept CVs. Any generic cut and paste supporting statement that did not evidence your ability to match the job specification would result in your application being destined for the bin.
     
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  12. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Already looking for another job, mikecom aka @coldmetal ?
     
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  13. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I think the last one ended rather prematurely...

    He's been doing supply, I think.
     
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  14. primenumbers

    primenumbers New commenter

    Having filled in my fair share of application form, I personally think most schools are not that special to write a personalised supporting document for. Granted that if I apply for a post at a very selective indie in London than it would be slightly different to a comprehensive in West Yorkshire but deep down, you still put the same thing in it. The list of required skills will be almost identical. Every school will want to look for the same information but in slightly different format in slightly different looking tables. A centralised database with the option to edit the supporting statement if necessary must be the most logical way to do this.
     
  15. Laphroig

    Laphroig Lead commenter

    The main thing I look for in an application is the ability to punctuate accurately and effectively. I see too many applications as inaccurate as the op. Shudder!
     
  16. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    If you want to be headhunted try LinkedIn. You should receive lots of job offers- not all of them in teaching.
     
  17. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    This should probably read ' as generic or not as the prospective employer prefers' if one is to be successful.

    This ticking boxes and generic clicking forgets an important point of employment, that of personality. An applicant might well be the very best fit in terms of qualifications, etc but utterly unsuitable in terms of personality. Similarly another applicant might be a perfect fit in terms of personality, but less good in terms of experience. By writing a tailor made statement, this would be revealed and no prospective employer would waste time calling in a teacher who would clearly be completely unsuitable for the environment. (It isn't fail safe and sometime, as the OP knows, applicants are appointed to environments that will not suit, but it helps.)

    I've a feeling the OP is applying for an awful lot of jobs and getting nowhere...if his generalisations are to be believed as statistically valid.
     
  18. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    Oh, that's cruel!
     
  19. saluki

    saluki Lead commenter

    Not meant to be cruel :). I have received offers of training jobs, admin jobs, head teacher jobs:D and all sorts of things that I hadn't previously considered. Not that I have followed up any of them.
    You may get some offers of Graphic design work or something else suited to his talents.
     
  20. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    'something else' might be best ;)
     
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