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Caster Semenya loses appeal against IAAF testosterone rules

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nomad, May 1, 2019.

  1. Andy_91

    Andy_91 New commenter

    Anyway let me get this straight, as this discussion has conflated athletics, intersex and trans issues.

    Gender critical 'feminists' think there is a trans conspiracy that makes lesbians take hormone suppressants and later testosterone.
    Gender critical 'feminists' think that a black lesbian woman, assigned female at birth must be made to suppress her natural hormone levels before she can compete.

    This one is a heady eclectic mix of transphobia, intersex-phobia, homophobia, and body-policing with an added dash of neo-colonial racism. Nice work.
  2. kittylion

    kittylion Established commenter

    Er ... what?
  3. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    I wondered too.
  4. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Whaterver he/she was assigned at birth it seems that this person is male. He has an XY chromosomes like all males. So surely the answer is that he competes in male events with all the other males.
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  5. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter


    A conspiracy? Is it the Illuminati or the Reptilians?

    I did not see this anywhere on this thread. Can you pull rabbits from hats? I could book you for bar mitzvahs.

    Well, you know, we love diversity around here.
  6. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    She's not a man. She passed an IAAF gender test nearly a decade ago. This article back then explained it:

  7. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    I think it is for women to decide the criteria for who may compete in women's events.
  8. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Maybe rape trials of men should have all female juries as well?o_O
  9. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

  10. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Bit random that Frank. What's that to do with sport?
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  11. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Just testing the idea you put forward in post #87. It doesn't work for me...
  12. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Get a life.
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  13. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    You are pretty keen on mansplaining this issue.
    I dont think men should decide who women athletes must compete against rather than women athletes.
  14. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I think you'd better contact the IAAF and tell them to change their structures and policies then... ;)

    NB Maybe CAS too...after all men there have decided how Castor Semanya, a WOMAN (according to the IAAF rules) has to behave in order to compete...
  15. Ellakits

    Ellakits Senior commenter

    Frank, the reason Caster Semenya passed the IAAF ‘gender test’ in 2009 is because the IAAF definition of ‘woman’ and ‘female’ includes men with deformed genitals!
    BetterNow and nomad like this.
  16. Ellakits

    Ellakits Senior commenter

    In fact, according to the IAAF’s own guidelines, an individual does not have to be classed as a biological woman in order to compete in women’s events!
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  17. Ellakits

    Ellakits Senior commenter

    The ONLY criteria needed for a man to compete as a woman are:

    a) a diagnosis of a disorder of sexual development


    b) legal status as a woman

    The reason that the majority of athletes with this condition are from poor or poorly developed backgrounds is because in the West this would be picked up by health professionals at the time of the birth.

    At the very latest it would be discovered at puberty during investigations into unexpected or absent pubertal developments.

    A boy who had a deformed or absent penis, plus internal testes would be put under a care pathway from birth in this country.

    In a less developed country that boy is likely to be recorded as being a rather odd looking girl.
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  18. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    Another example of why such decisions should involve women athletes rather than men telling them what they must conform to.
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  19. nomad

    nomad Star commenter


    Her condition used to be known as Testicular Feminization Syndrome, now called Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. Her genetics are that of a man (XY) but because her body lacks androgen receptors, she developed as a female with a “blind womb” (vagina, no uterus) and “intraabdominal testes”.

    That does not make her biologically female.
  20. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    That's not the test carried out then. Not the reason she passed.

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