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Care homes are to blame!!

Discussion in 'Personal' started by lapinrose, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. lapinrose

    lapinrose Star commenter


    Care homes are totally to blame for all the coronavirus deaths. It’s their fault for following government advice
    Mark Steel
    The Independent 9 July 2020
    Reuters TV
    Much of the world is puzzled as to why we have had so many people die in care homes in Britain. So it’s a relief to know the prime minister has worked it out: it’s because the care homes “didn’t follow the correct procedures”.

    They did it themselves, the idiots. They probably served up bowls of coronavirus instead of custard, and told residents if they had a tickly cough, they should relax in the bath while cuddling an electric fire.

    And yet Boris Johnson offered clear guidelines, such as, “you can’t catch the virus by shaking hands with infected people in care homes”.

    If only they’d followed that advice, and asked the most infected people to rub themselves up against the other residents, and maybe organised naked Greco-Roman wrestling tournaments for maximum bodily contact, they’d all have been fine.

    Another clear guideline was to announce that elderly patients in hospital who tested positive could be admitted to care homes.

    Then how did the care homes interpret that? They thought it meant elderly patients in hospital who tested positive should be admitted to care homes. That’s the trouble with some people, they don’t know how to follow simple instructions.

    Some people have criticised the government for pouring infected people into care homes, but Boris Johnson replies this isn’t fair, because this happened before we realised how the virus works.

    This makes sense because back in April who could possibly have guessed that the people who might spread the virus were people who had the virus? It’s all very well being clever with hindsight, but until then, lots of us thought the people most likely to spread the virus were people who didn’t have it, or perhaps it was people who didn’t exist like characters out of books, or maybe it was cartoons or people in dreams who have the face of a guinea pig.

    Luckily this deadly advice was aimed at a sturdy section of the population, the elderly who are too frail to live at home and are all squashed next to each other, so it couldn’t do much harm.

    As well as the obviously infected, other hospital patients who didn’t have coronavirus symptoms were sent back to care homes without being tested. The government instruction was: “Negative tests are not required prior to transfer of patients back to care homes.”

    So the care home staff interpreted that as meaning negative tests were not required prior to the transfer of patients back to care homes. They should have realised this was a crossword clue. The next instruction was probably “Russian Queen mixes violin with panda juice perhaps (7,4,2,6)”.

    In fact the care homes would have been better off if they’d been given guidelines by the people who issue instructions for putting together an Ikea bookcase, such as “Attach 89-year-old B to walking frame pinion ratchet F folding in up towards back nodule virus-preventative symptom bracket Q”.

    Boris Johnson now excuses the policy of sending patients back into the care homes without being tested, saying: “We didn’t know you could carry the virus without having symptoms.” But one month earlier the government’s own scientists insisted people could have the virus without showing symptoms.

    Maybe the government didn’t have time to listen to all those boring announcements from scientists. On and on they went, every day, about flattening curves and keeping two metres away – you can’t expect a prime minister to take notice of all that twaddle while he’s got a pandemic to sort out.

    Instead of following boring science, Johnson has been clear all the way along. Four weeks before we had to shut everything down, he stated we shouldn’t shut anything down, as we could become the “Superman” of Europe. That’s the way to explain things, with fun language anyone can follow.

    If only the rest of Europe had followed his lead. Instead of waffle about washing hands and staying indoors, Angela Merkel could have said: “This is an extremely serious situation. But we will be like the Incredible Hulk – we can punch the virus and lift a car up and drop it on its head, let’s see the weedy French match that.”

    There is a consistency to the government’s attitude. A few weeks ago, Matt Hancock told us the reason there wasn’t enough protective equipment in hospitals was the staff were changing it too quickly.

    If the government ran a restaurant, and one night every single customer died of food poisoning, it’d say: “It’s the idiots’ own fault. That fish was meant to be danced on, not eaten.”

    Even now, the guidelines are beautifully pointless. Only a handful of people are wearing face masks because the guidance on wearing them is you can wear one if you fancy it, in the same way you can wear a waistcoat if you like, it’s up to you.
    nizebaby likes this.
  2. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    He always writes good satire....

    However, the scary thing about this is..... so the Government are blaming care homes for not following 'procedures', but just over a week ago the education sector also received 'procedures'. How many of us think that these can be followed to the letter? Not me, I wonder if in 6 months time it will be the fault of schools for 'not following procedures' either due to an increase in Coronavirus spread or more likely, poor pupil performance. For example, education guidance states to put the children in rows, facing the front and Williamson wants them to sit in silence and listen to the teacher (as probably does Gove & Cummings too), 1950s style.

    I've already been told that wont be happening in my place of work.

    I wonder who OFSTED will be backing up in early 2021, my SLT or the Education Secretary?

    Conspiracy theories are not good, but could this be a reasonable one: that Covid-19 will be used as a pretext for implementation of a 'Gradgrind' system?
    ajrowing and emerald52 like this.
  3. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Any care home staff might have the excuse of not knowing how dangerous the virus could be (back in February/March, they might have thought shaking hands wasn't a big risk). What excuse do we have for going along with opening schools to thousands of people, knowing that many of our students probably live with old grandparents/parents with serious health issues?
  4. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    I suppose the reasoning is that the infection rate in the community has already fallen to 1 in 3900 (pretty much one tenth of what it was in May) and is likely to fall much further by September.

    Unless, and until, there is a vaccine, the virus will ever be with us. At what point you decide that the damage to children by keeping them away from school exceeds the ever-diminishing risk of encountering someone with the virus is a difficult decision, but one that cannot be postponed indefinitely.
    Sally006, Rott Weiler and nomad like this.
  5. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    I remember reading that similar happened in care homes in Italy. Staff fled, as the bodies piled up.
  6. nizebaby

    nizebaby Star commenter

    and in sweden and spain
  7. gainly

    gainly Star commenter


    "Protect the NHS" was put above "Save Lives", so elderly people were discharged into care homes to free up hospital beds.
    cissy3, Sally006 and ilovesooty like this.
  8. colacao17

    colacao17 Senior commenter

    Just wait for when the brexit blame game starts. I see Andrea Leadsom has today said something along the lines of 'it was made perfectly clear in 2016 that a no deal would mean job losses'.
    monicabilongame and ajrowing like this.
  9. install

    install Star commenter

    :rolleyes: It is an argument and the Gvt have failed massively imho. With care homes it’s slightly different imho.

    Some private care homes (not nhs connected) are also to blame in my view. They are businesses after all and should have been well prepared for a worse case scenario rather than trying to blame the Gvt.
  10. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    Of course they should. How do they cope with influenza epidemics?
    That said, how many of us check-out the care home's influenza epidemic policy before consigning our parent to the care home?
    Where was the disclosure by the media that care homes had no epidemic policy?
    Continuing on the blame game for lack of preparedness for emergencies topic - why didn't hospital administrators make sure they had enough PPE?
    Mainly because when faced with a choice of buying a stock of PPE which might never be used or cutting their waiting times for minor operations by a day they chose the latter, as anyone would under the pressure they are under for a quick turnaround.
    Where was the disclosure from the media that hospitals were unprepared for an epidemic as regards PPE?
    As an analogy, outside every domestic dwelling house there is a water stop-valve in case the internal stop-valve fails and the house floods. How many of us ever check the operation of this device?
    The point is that it is human nature not to prepare adequately for emergencies unless we are forced to - unless it is written down in law that we have to, Like with seatbelts, car insurance, speed limits, domestic gas checks, etc.
    Otherwise we spend the time and money on something which produces immediate benefit.
  11. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Would you have preferred the bed blockers to have stayed put, denying hospital beds to those seriously ill with Covid-19?

    Doctors were told not to discharge elderly patients unless it was clinically safe to do so. Care home managers were told to quarantine residents returning from hospital. In a number of cases, this was not done.
  12. install

    install Star commenter

    Mmm...but private Care Homes are businesses taking money for the service they are meant to provide.

    And like the UK Gvt some private businesses have let people down , in this case their customers down.

    Private care homes can’t hide behind claims there wasnt enough PPE for example because they should have had it in storage.
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2020
  13. colacao17

    colacao17 Senior commenter

    To be fair, while private care homes may be in it for the profit, they couldn't have been expected to predict that, during a pandemic, they would be discouraged from sending sick, infectious people to hospital and expected to receive other sick, infected people from hospital.
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  14. install

    install Star commenter

    I don’t agree. Sorry.

    They are dealing with very elderly people and should have had a ‘contingency plan’ for any emergency or long term health scare. That includes having a good spare supply PPE imho. They messed up.
  15. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    Problem is a lot of private care homes are reliant on local authority placements which barely (and arguably don't) cover the cost of care. Many have gone bust in recent years. The idea that they could be expected to assess potential risks, plan and stockpile for them is unreasonable. If pandemic planning was an expectation of running a care home then the CQC should have been monitoring and flagging up concerns about lack of preparedness.
    cissy3 likes this.
  16. install

    install Star commenter

    Problem is Private Care Homes (not nhs related) take the money. A business that takes money needs to be accountable too when things go wrong - in this case possibly preventable deaths imho.

    Care Homes should have done more imho.

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